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  • Profile photo of Paul DobsonPaul Dobson
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    Hi Batts

    We took a big leap of faith and moved the family from a cushie expat lifestyle, back to OZ in early 2003, after buying Rick’s Wrap Pack. We attended Rick’s Camp in March 2003 and haven’t looked back since.

    To say the least, it has been very profitable but what has also been great is the relationships we’ve built with the people we’ve helped into their own homes. I know it’s an over used term but the win – win nature of this business is a great plus.

    We have also used Steve’s Wrap Kit and we feel you will get excellent education no matter whether you pick Rick or Steve as your teacher.

    I would also suggest that you don’t pay out these large sums of money unless you absolutely commit to real action on completion of the courses you choose. Too many people spend too much money and end up doing nothing because of analysis paralysis or whatever.

    Good luck.

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    Hi Chris

    Have a look at:
    http://www.rickotton.com/lease.htm

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    Hi Rich

    I found Steve’s Wealth Guardian absolutely invaluable in getting my head around various business structures. Have a look at:
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/resources/11.html

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    Hi Koshy

    My wife and I started out with Rick’s Wrap Pack and we now have the Wrap Kit too. In short they are the foundation of our vendor financing business, i.e. they are wonderful educational resources which allow you to get started because of there step by step approach.

    We’ve found the win win nature of the business to be an excellent plus. It takes some serious due diligence but there are some great people to be found out there who will really appreciate your efforts. Good luck.

    Cheers, Paul

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    Hi David

    Have a look at:
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/strategies/lease-options.html

    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/strategies/wraps.html

    http://www.businesslawyer.com.au/fr_property.html

    These links should help a bit with your research.

    Cheers, Paul

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    Hi Dr X

    Sorry, I think it must be too late and I’ve missed your point ;-) We purchased at $200,000 and we sold for $245,500. That looks pretty close to a 23% mark up in 5 years.

    I usually structure our transactions based on the number of dollars I want to make as a back end profit. In this case I was looking to lock in a $35,000 back end profit when we’re refinanced out.

    As you where asking for comments based on a L/O transaction, that’s what I’ve been looking at so far and with your signature mentioning Adelaide I’d guess Instalments Contract aren’t an option.

    If your client’s have sufficient serviceability, I’d secure the property for $200,000 and then mark it up to $250,000. They then get an 80% traditional loan and you give them a second mortgage for $42,600 ($50,000 – $7,400).

    Good luck.

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    Hi Dr X

    If I was structuring this deal, I’d set it up as follows:
    1. Option price (strike price) – $245,500
    2. Weekly rent- $386.50
    3. Option fee – $7,400 (to be added to the deposit)
    4. Rent credit – $50 per week
    5. Option term – 5 years

    Based on the cost of my borrowings ($209,000), the weekly rent would leave me with a positive cashflow of $300 per month. However out of this $300, I’d have to be paying maintenance, rates and insurance.

    Hopefully the tenant buyers would save well during the 5 years of the option or, alternatively, they could increase their weekly payments and these extra payments would be 100% rent credit.

    If this is not possible we would ensure that the wording of the option document allowed for sufficient extensions so that enough rent credit can be accurred to eventually allow the tenant buyers to purchase the property.

    Just one of the infinite number of ways of doing it :-)

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    Hi Geoffrey

    That’s correct. At the begining of the process, you, as the wrapper have set the level of your positive monthly cashflow and your final capital gain (sometimes called “backend profit” by wrappers). You have, to a large degree, fixed your cashflow and capital gain and the wrapees take their chances in the market and accumulate any capital gain, over and above the price you sold them the property for.

    Cheers, Paul

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    Hi All

    Just a quick comment on the idea of writing maintenance, etc responsibilities into the option document, in an effort to try to get around a landlords responsibilities under the Residential Tenancies Act.

    I too had this idea. However when I put this idea to arguably the most experienced vendor finance lawyer in Australia (in NSW) he let me know very clearly that a court would most likely judge these actions as an attempt to avoid the provisions of the Residential Tenancies Act and that the penalties for these actions can be substantial.

    As I mentioned previously, just estimate your maintenance, rates and insurance costs per week and add it to the rent. It not perfect but it is legal :-)

    Cheers, Paul

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    Hi Yidn

    1. The FHOG cannot be utilised in any state of OZ when using a lease/option.
    2. As long as you have the correct mortgage facility, yes it is possible to redraw the accumulated equity after you have entered into a lease/option agreement.
    3. I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong but I believe all States residential tenacy laws insist that the landlord is liable for all “upkeep” of the property, i.e. rates, insurance, maintenace,etc. To be in contravention of these residential tenancy laws can carry substantial penalties.

    Good luck.

    Cheers, Paul

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    Hi coast2coast

    Welcome to the forum and good luck.

    When your wrapees first move into the property they probably owe you the purchase price, less the deposit they’ve paid you. You then set up some form of software to monitor their loan to you. Whenever they decide to refinance or buy you out, you simply go to your software and see what they owe you at that point. This figure, plus any early discharge fees you may have in your contract with them (usually none this far down the road) is what they pay you to complete the contract.

    I hope this helps.

    Cheers, Paul

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    Hi Vernon

    The term lease option can be confusing. A “lease option” isn’t a stand alone document. It’s usually a normal residential lease, accompanied by an option to purchase which, for good legal reasons, are completely separate documents.

    You can read more about lease options on this site at:
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/strategies/lease-options.html

    If your mortgage provider will allow you to rent out your property, you can normally structure a lease option on that property.

    A couple of Australian based resources for learning the business of lease options are:
    http://www.financiallyfree.com.au/leaseoption.htm
    and
    http://www.rickotton.com/lease.htm
    I’m sure there are more.

    I hope this helps.

    Cheers, Paul

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    Hi Richard

    We’ve found the small classified ad to be our best form of advertising for our market (mainly homes in the $200K to $300K range). We continue to place all the properties we want to sell, via vendor finance, on at least 3 websites but in 18 months and 6 houses, we haven’t had an enquiry from any of the websites.

    Websites might get a better result for a different demographic, e.g. inner city apartments but that’s just a guess.

    Cheers, Paul

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    Hi nm

    At this early stage, i.e. before you’ve purchased your first property, I’d suggest you speak with a knowledgeable practitioner about getting your business structure set up in a more advanced form than the simple partnership you are considering. It may cost a couple of grand initially but as your property empire grows, you’ll appreciate having got your structure correct right from the begining. How do I know this …. :-)

    Cheers, Paul

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    Hi Kendo

    I think if I were to give you an answer here, I’d just miss too much important information. To answer this question properly, I’d recomend you get an educational resource like Steve’s “Wealth Guardian”. I found it to be a great resource for my initial education into understanding and using the various business structures that are “out there”.

    I’m sure others on this forum will have alternative educational resources they too can recomend on the subject.

    Cheers, Paul

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    Hi Moonscape

    Try http://www.owner.com.au

    Cheers, Paul

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    Hi Maruco

    I operate in NSw but I believe the Residential Tenancies Act in NSW and Qld are pretty similar.

    If you try to off load the maintenance responsibilities of a residential property, onto the tennant, you will be probably be found to be in breach of the Residential Tenancies Act, if you are taken to court or the Residential Tennancies Tribunal. This breach can, of course, put you in hot water to say the least.

    My advice, for what it’s worth, is don’t try it. Instead work out a figure you think will cover maintenance for the period of the lease and add it to the rent. It’s not exact but I think it’s about the best you can do with a lease option.

    I hope this helps.

    Cheers, Paul

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    Hi Sonja

    We use Tony Cordato and can recommend him. He certainly knows his stuff and is regularly asked to be a guest speaker at the Vendor Finance (Wraps) Association’s meetings and educational seminars put on by Rick.

    His phone number is 02 8297 5600

    Cheers, Paul

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    Hi gilad

    Correct me if I’m wrong but are you sure you’re not getting “residency” and “citizenship” mixed up together. From the length of time your friend has spent in Australia, it seems unlikely that she does not have Australian “residency”. And like a lot of “permanent residents” in Australia she may not have Australian citizenship.

    If your friends have Australian residency, the following quote from the government website, http://www.firsthome.gov.au/ might help:

    “Eligible applicants must be natural persons, who are Australian citizens or permanent residents, who are buying or building their first home in Australia.”

    I hope this helps.

    Cheers, Paul

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    Hi Dr X

    Not one. Although we’d be happy to use the technique in what we regard as the right situation. To date we have used Instalment Contracts. Along with NSW’s Land Tax considerations, Instalment Contracts just seem to suit our clients better than a L/O’s. Maybe it just “in the mind” but an Instalment Contract seems to give them more of a feeling of ownership.

    Cheers, Paul

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