Karen, my wife and I were trained by Rickand have now on sold many house using various vendor finance techniques. We would be happy to give you the names and telephone numbers of every single one of those purchasers because they’ve already told us that we don’t have to ask each time, just get our prospective buyers to ring them.
If you search through this forum you will see various comments about Mr Jennman’s thoughts on vendor finaning. May I suggest you read a broad range of these comments.
Both Rick and Steve have taught vendor financing techniques to many people over the years. Just as there are good and bad real estate agents and car sales people, there are bound to be bad vendor financiers. May I suggest you have a look at the website for the Vendor Finance (Wraps) Association and ask for a copy of the Association’s Code of Professional Conduct.
If you have a specific instance of unprofessional conduct by a vendor financier, I’m sure the whole vendor finance community would like to here about it (without names) so that we can see if we can get you through the problem you’ve been experiencing.
Cheers, Paul
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I certainly don’t know enough about the bankruptcy laws to comment on that one. however, if you really need an answer from one of the country’s most experience vendor finance lawyers, I’d suggest you give Tony Cordato a call and ask him the question. His number is 8297 5600.
Good luck with your first wrap.
Cheers, Paul
Paul & Karen Dobson
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The VFA is also alive and well in NSW. They had their last meeting at the end of last month which I’m told was well attened and had two guest speakers.
The NSW branch seem to have regular meetings every 3 months and it’s a great opportunity to get together with like minded people.
Dr X, you sound like the next SA Branch President
Cheers, Paul
Paul & Karen Dobson
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Here are a few that really stand out. Starting out without the correct business structure. Buying at retail. buying in the wrong area. On selling without enough mark up. Not protecting ourselves from the UCCC buy doing the correct checks of our potential wrapees and ensuring these checks are kept and can be produced to prove your due dilligence, etc, etc.
Good luck.
Cheers, Paul
Paul & Karen Dobson
negative2positive
Turn your negatively geared property into positive cashflow.
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To overcome the point you make about CGT and vendor financed real estate transactions, simply make sure you undertake the transaction within the bounds of the “correct” business structure. Check with your accountant to confirm this but if you are in the “business” of vendor financing real estate, there is a good chance that the ATO will charge you tax on an “emerging profits” basis.
If you get the right business structure (company, trust, etc) your profits should be treated this way, i.e. you will only be taxed on your profits as they “emerge”.
May I suggest you grab a book call “How to Legally Reduce Your Tax” by Ed Chan. It’s $25 and is a very easy read. It’s also invaluable. Thereafter, if you decide to get into vendor financed real estate, see a good accountant first and get your “structure” correct right from the begining.
Good luck.
Cheers, Paul
Paul & Karen Dobson
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We plan for our wrapees to be refinancing out of our loan at the end of year two or, at a maximum, year three and we don’t use short term contracts with attached balloon payments to do it.
Your potential clients are mostly people who have been locked out of having a family home. I doubt that they’d respond to well to an offer of a 4 year loan, followed by a pretty large balloon payment.
Knowing that there are now traditional lenders out there that want to take your wrapees off you, after they’ve been with you for a couple of years, this is how we do it.
We make our potential wrapees feel comfortable that they have got a 30 year loan but we also educate them right from the begining that we’ll be looking to refinance them into a traditional loan at the end of year two so they can get the title into their own names.
We also tell them that the interest rate will increase by one percent in years 3, 4 and 5 to help to ensure that they make this move into a traditional loan. When you tell them up front, in the begining, all our wrapees have been happy with the plan and are keen for the end of the second year to roll around.
I hope this helps.
Cheers, Paul
Paul & Karen Dobson
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We find that most of our clients have a combination of “challenges” that stop them getting a traditional loan, e.g. no to very little deposit as well as needing a low doc or a no doc loan.
Once you get into vendor financed real estate, you’ll be surprised at the number of potential wrapeees that contact you. Some, like traditional lenders, we chose not to work with but there are many good potential wrapees out their in the market place.
Good luck.
Cheers, Paul
Paul & Karen Dobson
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Karen and I have now done 6 what we call “Training Joint Ventures”.
As with your experience, our JV partners have either bought the Wrap Pack or Wrap Kit and are hesitant at taking that first step or they have learned about wrapping from forums or books and want to get underway.
I can only say we wish we had found a JV partner when we first started out. Missing out on those costly mistakes we make would have been excellent
Cheers, Paul
Paul & Karen Dobson
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Two possible ideas:
1. Find properties where the vendor is prepared to leave 20% to 30% behind in the form of a second mortgage. In this flat to declining market, it’s not that hard.
2. When Karen & I came to this point awhile back, we asked Rick Otton the same question. One of his answers was, “flap your gums” We did and now we have people coming to us requesting to become Joint Venture partners.
Good luck.
Cheers, Paul
Paul & Karen Dobson
negative2positive
Turn your negatively geared property into positive cashflow.
Phone: (02) 4984 9540
Karen and I recently completed a negative2positive Joint Venture wrap on the central coast. The property had been on the market for months without any offers. Now it’s been sold for well above what our JV partners were asking and it’s making positive cash flow for them each month.
We are also in the process of doing the same thing for another client who was in default, in Brisbane
Drop me a line and we’ll see if we can help.
All the best, Paul
Paul & Karen Dobson
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Turn your negatively geared property into positive cashflow.
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We always look positively upon the fact that other vendor financiers are operating in our area. This is because these other Wrappers are out there “spreading the word” and helping to make vendor financing just another way of buying your home.
Karen and I had our first wrapees move in in March 2004. We have now completed 13 vendor finance projects and have loved every minute of the ride It’s been a great learning curve and we must admit that both Rick’s Wrap Pack and Steve’s Wrap Kit have been a great help.
By sticking with it, we’re now in a situation that investors are coming to us wanting to do “turn key” joint ventures and vendor financing training joint ventures with us. A situation we would have thought of as almost unbelievable back in 2004
To give you an idea of what’s possible in a couple of years, here’s what we’re up to at the moment:
1. Just exchanged on a wrap training JV which we are just begining to market
2. Getting finance for a new wrap training JV partner for a property we already have wrapees for.
3. Just coming up to “possession day” for some new wrapees as a result of a negative2positive training JV we’re doing with a couple who want to get out from under their negatively geared IP and learn wrapping at the same time.
4. Marketing a training negative2positive JV property for a couple in a similar situation.
We bought our first wrap property towards the end of 2003 so we’ve now experienced wrapping in quite a variety of market conditions. For us, there are advantages and disadvantages in wrapping in both hot and slow/declining markets.
It’s not a perfect investment proposition but what is? For us, it’s a medium term, cashflow business that supplies money for real wealth creation, i.e. accumulating equity in property
Good luck.
Cheers, Paul
Paul & Karen Dobson
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The FHOG is not available when a L/O is used. In those States where Wraps are legal (all States except SA), the FHOG grant is available when a Wrap is used (with State based variations on when it’s payable).
With a L/O you may get an uncommited “try before you buy” tenant buyer. This may mean you end up with someone in your property with a “tenant mentality”, instead of a “buyers mentality”. It’s up to you how commited you’d like your buyers to be to your property.
Arguably, with a L/O you are commited by the various Residential Tenancy Acts to be responsible for the maintenance of the property. With a Wrap, your wrapees are responsible for all maintenance. This also applies to Council Rates, Water Rates and Building Insurance. With a L/O you pay, with a Wrap they pay.
With a L/O, if the tenant buyer doesn’t excercise the Option and the Lease expires they may have to walk away with nothing. If a Wrapee “walks” the Instalment Contract is terminated and all Instalment Contracts I’ve seen indicate that the Wrapee must vacate and that all monies previously paid by them were vested (owned) by the Wrapper as soon as these monies were paid, i.e. they have no right of any refund.
Having said all this, we find that our decision to use a L/O or a Wrap, very much depends on the situation of our purchasers. Both the Wrap and the L/O are great techniques. Our suggestion would be to educate yourself on both so you can use each one appropriately.
Good luck.
Cheers, Paul
Paul & Karen Dobson
negative2positive
Turn your negatively geared property into positive cashflow.
Phone: (02) 4984 9540
We started out with Rick’s Wrap Pack but we now also have Steve’s Wrap Kit. Both have been invaluable resources.
We started with Rick’s Pack, took action as per the steps outlined therein and here we are three years later having people come to us requesting to do full joint ventures, training joint ventures and negative2positive joint ventures.
Karen and I have had a wonderfull time building this vendor finance business and we don’t regret for a minute all the money we spent on our education along the way. If you’re looking to get into the vendor finance business, we’d definitely suggest that you don’t “nickel and dime” your business education.
Good luck.
Cheers, Paul
Paul & Karen Dobson
negative2positive
Turn your negatively geared property into positive cashflow.
Phone: (02) 4984 9540