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    Hi Walter

    Tony Cordato – 02 8297 5600

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    Hi Ryan

    As Terry says, anybody supplying credit to an individual (natual person) has to abide by the new NCC, after 1 July 2010.

    There is an interesting area of the of the Regulatory Guides where you will see that the registration requirement applies to those who "carry on the business of providing credit".  As stated in the Regulatory Guides, a one-off credit provider does not need to be licensed, nor do they need to register.

    It will be interesting to see what number of transactions will be construed as "carrying on the business of …..".  From one source I've heard the number 5 mentioned and from another 3.  It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

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    Hi Bambam

    The great thing about Lease/Option's is that they are almost infinitely variable.  All the variables, such as strike price, term, option fee, on-going option fee and rent credit, can be setup to make it work for you and your new purchaser.  The reason we tend not to use them is because the Lease bit of the transaction comes under the control of the various Residential Tenancy Acts around Australia and we've found that L/O buyers tend to have a tenant's mentality.

    Possibly consider selling with an Instalment Contract.  It's a standard Contract of Sale with an Instalment Payment Schedule added and your new buyers will be able to claim the FHOG if this paperwork is used.  In Qld the FHOG is paid after the Contract has been running for 12 months.  As it 's a real contract of sale our instalment contract buyers tend to have a buyer's mentality and we find that much more pleasant ;-)

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi RC

    In answer to your first question, I've got to declare that I'm biased because we do Vendor Finance Training Joint Ventures.  In 2003, when we started, we bought a manual and then, over the next few years, we paid (lots) for on going mentoring/training.  

    Knowing what we know now, we'd probably buy a manual and get an experienced vendor financier to walk us through our first transaction(s), while sharing the profits from that transaction.  This would have turned expensive initial training into money making training.  It would have also helped us miss the mistakes we made as newbies (you can't get everything into a manual).

    Yes, there will be Licencing for all vendor finance transactions, except Lease/Options, after 1 July 2010.  The interesting point about the new Australian Credit Licence is that licensees can appoint representatives.  It will also be interesting to see if entering a JV with a licenced entity will give coverage to the transaction.  It's unlikely that the old guideline, i.e. more than 5 transactions and it's a business, will apply.

    I hope that helps.

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    Hi Damian

    Their are/were a number of wrap kits/packs available in the marketplace.  Rick Otton's Wrap Pack is still available, Steve McKnight's Wrap Kit is no longer being sold and I think Paul Zelitis (not sure if that's the correct spelling) also has one out.  I don't know the name of Paul's but I do have both the others.

    One point to remember about all these Kits/Packs is that any legal paperwork that's included is only an example and should not be used in a real transaction.

    We get charged $980 to get our Instalment Contracts drawn up.  Who pays that $980?  The new buyers.  We tried doing it ourselves but it takes way to long and why would we bother, when the new buyers pay and we have confidence that our solicitor will get it right.

    Also, we insist that every one of our new buyers gets independent legal advice.

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    Hi Anthony

    Try:
    http://www.renttoownhome.com.au

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    Hi BamBam

    Richards suggestions are spot on.

    One small technical aspect however relating to the new National Credit Licence.  In Tony Cordato's "A Vendor Financier's Guide to the New National Credit Act", he mentions, "The use of Leases and Options for vendor finance is not affected by the new National Credit Act."

    The Guide can be viewed at:
    http://www.vendorfinance.asn.au/UCCC.pdf

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    Hi RC

    Their are a number of wrap kits/packs available in the marketplace.  Rick Otton's Wrap Pack is still available, Steve McKnight's Wrap Kit is no longer being sold and I think Paul Zelitis (not sure if that's the correct spelling) also has one out.  I don't know the name of Paul's but I do have both the others.

    One point to remember about all these Kits/Packs is that any legal paperwork that's included is only an example and should not be used in a real transaction.

    We get charged $980 to get our Instalment Contracts drawn up.  Who pays that $980?  The new buyers.  We tried doing it ourselves but it takes way to long and why would we bother, when the new buyers pay and we have confidence that our solicitor will get it right.

    Also, we insist that every one of our new buyers gets independent legal advice.  Even with the old Uniform Consumer Credit Code, we thought that was a must but with the new national consumer credit legislation coming into place soon, we believe we'd be crazy not to.

    Sure an Instalment Contract does give your new buyers access to the FHOG but it also means the government regard you as a credit provider.  We haven't found that to be a problem because we're very conscious of the demands of the UCCC and use lawyers to make sure we abide by it.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi All

    As Richard mentions, S.A. is the only State that will not allow the use of an Instalment contract in a real estate transaction (Wrap).

    However, in 2009, S.A. also tightened up the rules regarding Lease/Options.  So much so that a good friend of ours, who had been using Lease/Options in Adelaide for many years, packed up his family and moved to Melbourne, so he could continue his vendor finance business.  In short, I'd suggest you give S.A. a miss when it comes to vendor finance.

    And most "commentators" get their information from where?  Certainly not from our clients, who couldn't get a traditional loan, bought with vendor finance from us and have now refinanced into a traditional home loan.  For them it's been a great "stepping stone" process back into the traditional finance channel.

    Cheers,  Paul 

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    Hi eric

    We use BMT and we're happy with their service and price.  Their website is at:
    http://www.bmtqs.com.au/

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Heng

    The "and/or nominee" loophole has been closed off in NSW for quite awhile now.  If used it will trigger double stamp duty.  I think it's the same in Vic but not sure.  I suggest you put this question to your solicitor before you consider using this clause.

    A put and call option (if the call option is worded correctly) would work for this siutation but, if you think developers were negative about the and/or nominee" clause, they'll be even more unlikely to accept a put and call option.  It just depends how "motivated" they are to sell.

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    Hi G

    There sure is.  In fact this site contains a sub-forum dedicated to Adding Value.  It's at:
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/property-investing/value-adding

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Ryan

    The National Consumer Credit Protection Act will come into effect on 1 July.  It looks like the only vendor finance technique that won't be covered by the new Act will be Lease/Options.  For the rest, you'll need a licence for all new transactions, after 1 July.  Also, there are provisions in the new Act for licence holders to appoint representatives.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Dr Spock

    Buy & Hold or reno and sell, we find all people prefer to live in a "nice" looking area.  Our experience over the years is that an area dominated by rental properties doesn't appeal to us, so we steer away from those areas.  Of course this is a generalised comment and some tenants keep their rental property in great condition.  However our opinion stands, based on what we generally see.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    On the other hand, we bought a so called guru's manual in 2002, when we were living as expats in the middle east and decided to move home to do it.  We later attend some seminars, got some tutoring and now my wife and I both work this business full time together.

    I agree, be wary and do your due diligence. Listen to the promoters and the nay sayers and you'll probably realise it's never completely black or white.  The middle road is quite often the winner  ;-)

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Scott

    The challenge will be the option holder.  In this case probably a developer who is in the process of getting a DA approved for the property.  It's almost certain that the developer will secure and protect her/his option with a caveat over the property.

    Very generally, the caveat puts a paddlock on the property and this will stop the the owner from on selling the property during the term of the option.  What you could actually work out with the owner and the developer is another matter.  Almost anything is possible, if all parties agree but without this agreement the option/caveat will block you.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi All

    I think I'll stay out of the moral argument here, as there are obviously two very different views.

    Regarding the method I outlined above, if the property is in NSW, there will be one amount of stamp duty payable.  This is because the resulting Contract of Sale will show that the title will transfer from the original owners to the new buyers.

    However, with the new regulations in Victoria, full stamp duty on the strike price of the call option would be payable and therefore, to complete the transaction, with a call option, would incur double stamp duty.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Elmo

    Even using the old trick of an "and or nominee" clause you will still trigger double stamp duty.

    You may be able to make it process work with a call option but, from what you've mentioned, your vendor thinks she's getting a straight sale.  Not sure if your vendor is going to take kindly to an option strategy at this late point.

    Possibly take some time to research and learn about call options and the various ways they can be used.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi DC

    We take an each way bet on that question.  That is, we utilise our vendor finance, positive cash flow properties to support our growth oriented, buy and holds.

    As to the Aus Fin Review article, my crystal ball is a bit cloudy on the one ;-)

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi alltheway

    You could accomplish a direct transfer from the original owner, i.e. your relative, to your new buyer, via an call option.  However a standard call option would normally allow your new buyer to know how much you've secured the property for.  Not something you really want.  There is however a specialist clause we put in our options to stop this from happening.

    Another positive point about using the call option in your situation is, if your new buyer pulls out, you simply don't exercise the option.  In this case all you'd lose would be your option fee (probably $1).

    Cheers,  Paul

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