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    Hi Amy

    Your mortgage documents probably say no you can't do it but then your mortgage documents probably also stipulate that you have to get the lender's permission to rent the property, renovate the property, sell the property, etc, etc.  So you can't but, have literally thousands of properties been sold all over Australia with vendor finance (VF), all with existing mortgages that say they can't be?  Yes they have.

    Also, if you go to the retail section of the bank and ask for a loan to buy a property to on-sell with (VF), they quite clearly tell you that's not allowed. However I have friends who've been to the commercial section of the bank and they've been given between $5 million and $7 million to buy properties and on-sell them with VF.

    Go figure, the lenders say you can't do it and yet there's a thriving, growing industry doing it.

    In relation to the income from our vendor financed properties, we get our direct debit service to label it as "investment property income".  This label has always allowed our lenders to treat the funds as income in our serviceability calculations.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Debbie

    We just assisted with one in Malanda (up behind Cairns).  The Sunshine Coast is easy ;-)

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Debbie

    It may be possible to turn the property around from an $800 per month loss to positive cash flow by selling it with vendor finance (VF).

    Of late we have been getting a lot of calls from people in a very similar situation, so you're definitely not alone.  You could setup the vendor finance arrangement over five years or so and, by then, there is a chance that lenders' attitude to the area will have mellowed, so your VF buyers could refinance into a traditional loan.

    Even if it hasn't, you could continue the VF arrangement and continue to receive the positive cash flow until a refinance becomes possible.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Cam

    As you mentioned "and get a commission" I thought I'd show you the relevant bit of the relevant NSW Act, i.e. the Property, Stock and Business Agents Act.

    "real estate agent means a person (whether or not the person carries on any other business) who, for reward (whether monetary or otherwise), carries on business as an auctioneer of land or as an agent: ….
    (d)  collecting rents payable in respect of any lease of land and otherwise providing property management services in respect of the leasing of any land, or …."

    Cheers,  Paul

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    As we buy property to on-sell with vendor finance, we always want early access and the ability to put up our for sale sign just after exchange of contracts. We do this by using the following Special Conditions in the Contract:

    Access

    (i)    The Purchaser and their invitees are entitled to inspect the property, after the date of this Contract, under the direction of the vendor or the vendor’s agent, for the purposes of obtaining quotations for work to be done and to permit invitees to inspect the property with a view to entering into occupation after completion.

    Signs

    (i)    The Vendor will direct the vendor’s agent to remove their ‘for sale’ sign at the property within 2 days. In default, the Purchaser is authorised to remove the sign.
    (ii)    Purchaser is permitted to place their own signs at the front of the property following exchange of contracts, and pending completion.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Benni

    Welcome to the forum.  We hope you enjoy your time here.

    Your serviceability for a loan looks reasonable but your $10K looks a bit low as a deposit.  All the excellent finance professionals on the forum may have a way around this for you.  One possibility is the help of family that may go guarantor for you?

    With your serviceability and $10K deposit plus the FHOG you could probably get into a property that's being sold with vendor finance (VF).  The upside of this is you're "in" the market but the downside is you usually pay a premium price for a VF property.  If you'd like to research what's available with VF have a look at:
    http://www.renttoownhome.com.au  and
    http://www.vendorfinancedirectory.com.au

    I have no interest in these sites, other than advertising there.  Good luck with your plan.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Sash

    Just as an indicator that there may be another way to secure the business your interested in, two friends of mine recently bought two businesses in Qld with vendor finance.  One bought a nursery, the other bought a cafe.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Emma

    The only two I know of are RP Data and Investar but they are paid services.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    A good friend just got his latest book, Unfair Advantage, from the US for me (I don't think it's available here yet).  I enjoyed it immensely.

    It shows how Robert & Kim became financially free via their real estate holdings before they ever got into the education business.  I got Rich Dad Poor Dad in 1998 during an illustrious Amway career, i.e. I spoke to about two people ;-)  However the Amway book of the month club delivered Rich Dad Poor Dad and that was the book that got me going.

    Many thanks to Amway and Robert  :-)

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Tim

    Welcome to the forum and I hope you enjoy your time here.  Great group of people  ;-)

    With your mention of positive cash flow, the following information will help you get up to speed with positive cash flow, vendor finance real estate in OZ.

    The three most popular Vendor Finance strategies are:

    1.  Rent To Own.  This is documented with a Residential Lease and an Option.  The Lease gives you possession of the property and the Option gives you a fixed price on the property, i.e. overall you get pretty good "control" of the property.
    2.  Deposit Finance.  This is often documented with a second mortgage.  This is where the Buyer gets a traditional loan for the property and the Vendor finances the remainder.  This strategy has become quite difficult to use due to traditional lenders tightening their rules since the GFC and the new National Credit Code.
    3.  Instalment Contract.  Sometimes called Vendor Finance and at other times, a Wrap.  See the links below to see how these operate.

    We've been operating in the Vendor Finance industry since 2003 and it's worked for us.  If you'd like to learn more about vendor finance in Australia, I suggest you do a search for Vendor Finance here and in the Somersoft forum.  You'll get an immense amount of reading material in both these forums.

    A few web resources that may help in your search for information about vendor finance are:
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/strategies/wraps
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/strategies/lease-options
    http://www.jvpropertypartners.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&Itemid=75
    http://www.vendorfinancelawyer.com.au/
    http://www.vendorfinance.asn.au/   The Vendor Finance Association of Australia

    The Vendor Finance Association of Australia has Perth meetings as follows:

    The Blue Water Grill in Applecross.
    56 Duncraig road, Heathcote Centre, Applecross.
    Meeting commences at 8:00 am – 11:00 am.
    12th March
    11th June
    3rd September
    3rd December

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi JML

    As Kent says, you can't provide a credit or credit assistance to a consumer, "in the course of a business", unless you have ACL Coverage for that transaction.  This ACL coverage can come in the form of your own Australian Credit Licence or by becoming a Credit Representative of an ACL holder.  More information on ACL Coverage is available at:
    http://www.vendorfinanceinstitute.com.au/home/?page_id=10

    You could go down the path of selling these properties with a Lease/Option but the government doesn't regard this as a real sale and won't pay the FHOG for this type of transaction.  If you sell with an Instalment Contract (requires ACL Coverage), your buyers can claim all the FHOG benefits.

    Thanks for the PM, I'll reply to that too.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi bluehoon

    In the past, a couple of newbies have used their "shoe leather" to find us deeply discounted properties.  We call them "bird dogs".  It's not easy and initially you'll get a lot of knock backs from us because the properties are only discounted from the "asking" price, not the "market" price.

    It's not pretty and it's not easy but it sure did wonders for these bird dogs' knowledge of the market and they did make money out of it.  It's amazing the education you'll pick up when you get out into your chosen market and talk to a lot of people in that market.  Let us know if you find one.  Preferably a 3+ bedroom plus garage, "standard" free standing house, not in a "war zone" ;-)

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Matt

    There are a lot of different personal interpretations of the new National Consumer Credit Protection Act 2009 floating around but little legal case law to rely on, simply because it is such new legislation.

    My thoughts are, why rely on personal, untested interpretations of the legislation when it's so easy to get ACL Coverage for your instalment contracts (wraps)?

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Bell

    I strongly agree with Terry, i.e. get a solicitor to do it. The solicitor we use for Lease/Options in Qld is:
    Tom Forster
    Litigation Law Queensland
    PO Box 1919, Broadbeach, Qld 4218
    Phone: 0428 777 007
    Fax: 5591 5571
    Email: [email protected]

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Amit

    Great stuff Terry.  Very generous.  As Richard mentioned, you will need Australian Credit Licence coverage for your Instalment Contract (Wrap) transactions.  More information on this topic is available at:
    http://www.vendorfinanceinstitute.com.au/home/?page_id=10
    (Disclosure – it's our website)

    Good luck with your new Kit.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Bell

    I would probably go with the Option and an approval to do the work.  Possibly under a Lease where I pay rent while undertaking the work.  You can then assign the Option to a new buyer and this will save you paying double stamp duty.

    I'd also suggest you source what I call a "blind option" so that your new buyer can't see what you optioned the property for, i.e. your Option needs a "higher price" clause.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Bell

    I'm not sure if you want to use Options to control property while you get a DA or use them for the buying and selling of residential property on a Rent To Own basis.  Either way there is a good list of Vendor Finance lawyers at:
    http://www.propertyinvestmentcourses.com.au/general/general/vendor-finance-specialists.html

    They will at least be familiar with Options.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    I did pick up his latest book, Unfair Advantage, last weekend (as mentioned above).  Enjoying it a lot.  It interesting to see how he's developed his ideas over the years.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Thanks Anthony

    I think it was 1998 that I got my hands on Rich Dad Poor Dad.  Have read most of his books since then.  Sure they're not perfect but I'm getting his latest book during a trip to Melbourne this weekend and can't wait.  I find them brilliant for getting my "head back in order"  ;-)  It's so easy to slip back into long held, bad money habits and Richard's work sure gets my "attitude adjustment team" firing  ;-)

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Neville

    Purely from a "rescue" point of view, this may be an alternative for you.  Lets assume your loan is $328,000, interest only, at 7.5%.  This gives you a monthly payment of $2,050.

    I expect you could sell the property with vendor finance for $320,00, with a $10,000 deposit, at 9.5%, over 30 years.  This would give you a monthly income of $2,606.

    This income must be poured, without exception, into the $328,000 loan.

    The vendor finance contract used to sell the property must have a 3 year "lock out clause", i.e. a clause to lock out any refinance, within the first 3 years of the loan.

    If you do the math, you'll be surprised at how close your $328,000 loan will come to the new vendor finance buyer's loan, after doing this for 3 years.

    Cheers,  Paul

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