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    Hi Anita

    I'd suggest you talk with Lewis at:

    Lewis O’Brien & Associates
    Suite 113 
    89 High Street 
    Kew   Victoria   3101

    phone: 03 9888 6388
    fax: 03 9888 6366
    email: [email protected]

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Pogita

    As ASIC requires Credit Representatives to operate "on behalf of" the licensee, the Credit Representative path probably won't work.

    I do now of an ACL applicant that had its ACL application knocked back due to a lack of prior experience.  What this Company did was hire in an external, appropriately qualified and experienced Responsible Manager.  This hired in Responsible Manager enable the Company to gain both ACL authorisations, i.e:
    1.  Engage in credit activities other than as a credit provider, and
    2.  Engage in credit activities as a credit provider

    This only works for Company ACL applicants as individual applicants must be appropriately qualified and experienced themselves.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi jcz

    When we get our statements from our Direct Debit service provider, our income is declared, on the statements as "Investment Property Income".  We have always found this positive cash flow position has improved our serviceability calculations.  Within limits that is.  You've always got to be aware of not having too much exposure to one Lenders Mortgage Insurer but the excellent mortgage brokers on this forum will be able to protect you from that.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Ricky

    If you go to
    http://www.yellowpages.com.au
    and search for "justice of the peace" in Melbourne CBD you'll get the details of 10 JP's in the CBD.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi jcz

    Just for your information a Residential Lease and a Call Option are used to setup a Rent To Own (RTO).  They can be setup for whatever term is agreed upon and if the tenant/buyer defaults, the  CTTT (NSW), QCAT (Qld) or VCAT (VIC) could be used to enforce an eviction.  Personally we don't like them much as the government doesn't consider that this legal paperwork, constitutes a real sale and consequently doesn't pay the FHOG for a RTO.  Also RTO's are not regulated by the National Credit Code (NCC) and don't give the buyer the protection of this Code.

    An Instalment Contract is sometimes called Vendor's Terms.  Utilising this Contract means that eligible buyers can get the FHOG and also get the protection of the NCC.  The NCC stipulates that the default process for a traditional "bank" loan and an Instalment Contract are the same.  Also, both banks and vendor financiers have to abide by the NCC's Responsible Lending requirements.  What this boils down to is that traditional lenders (banks) and vendor financiers have to qualify buyers in the same manner.  For example, a buyer can only be issued with a Default Notice after they have been in arrears for 14 days and the Default Notice must give the buyer 30 days to rectify the default, before further action can be taken.

    We write all our Instalment Contracts over 30 years.

    When a buyer defaults under a traditional loan, the property is repossessed and sold at mortgagee auction.  Then, if the traditional lender doesn't get enough from the auction, it's very possible that they'll go after the borrower and bankrupt them.  An Instalment Contract is a non-recourse loan.  When a default is not rectified within 30 days, a Notice of Termination is issued but a vendor financier cannot go after the borrower and bankrupt them.

    We find that "stuff" does happen in people's lives.  We've had this, i.e. defaults, happen numerous times.  Every time, we have spoken with our buyers/borrowers and worked out what they want to see happen.  Most people in this type of situation only dig their heals in and don't move out because the "stuff" that's happened in their lives, has left them without enough money to move.  We usually supply those missing funds and help the people move on down the road.  So far, we never had a complaint, as is the case with the vast majority of vendor financiers.

    Today we approved a purchaser for a property in Quakers Hill, Sydney.  This purchaser did the correct due diligence and paid for a valuation by a licensed valuer.  I was told the valuation came back "spot on" and the sale is going ahead.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi j260899j

    As Michael has already posted the link to our negative2positive site, I'll presume you had a read.  We use Lease/Options but tend to prefer Vendor's Terms (Instalment Contracts).  They aren't inherently difficult, i.e. you could find a number of solicitors in Sydney to write up the legal paperwork for you, just by doing a search of this forum.

    However there are a few pieces of the puzzle that can trip you up, eg:
    1.  What are the pros & cons of the different selling strategies.  You may even consider selling with deposit finance.
    2.  What is the best method to set your selling price
    3.  Do you need Australian Credit Licence coverage for your chosen selling strategy
    4.  If you market a vendor finance property like a standard sale, you'll slow down the selling of the property considerably.  What's the best marketing for VF properties.
    5.  How do you answer sales enquiries?  When we started I hated the thought of "sales".  I got around this by one simple sentence.  I'd chat for awhile and then say "do you mind if I ask you a few questions to see if we can get you qualified?"  Worked for me  ;-)
    6.  As a newbie you'll be seriously motivated by your holding costs, to give the property to the first person who comes along.  Very dangerous!  You need to know how to properly qualify your potential buyers.
    7.  How to properly instruct your solicitor so the legal paperwork gives you what you want and have agreed upon with your buyer.
    8.  How to administer the resulting loan or lease.
    9.  When it comes time for your buyers to refinance or exercise the option, you've got to know and understand that it's not a straightforward process.  Who do you send your buyers to get this done?

    I'd also suggest you look at joining the Vendor Finance Association of Australia.  Have a look at their website at
    http://www.vendorfinance.asn.au
    for their next Sydney meeting.

    Also, please feel free to PM or call me if you have any questions.

    Cheers,  Paul

    PS.  Michael & Jamie thanks.  Appreciate your thoughts.

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    I couldn't agree with Terry more.  We've done a lot of Options, of various flavour and have always had a solicitor draw it up for us.  I been continually surprised by the additional points we've needed to cover, I haven't thought of.  It definitely works for us.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Murasaki

    Not really.  Bell mentioned that he was looking to hold the property for a period of time, while he does the work he needs to do, prior to on selling it.  He didn't mention on selling it with VF, so I didn't cover that.

    With a Lease and a Blind Option, Bell would be able to occupy and control the property, while he does the necessary renos, prior to selling the property, i.e. assigning the option.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi

    WA is a bit short of vendor finance savvy solicitors but  http://www.equitaslawyers.com.au  should be able to help.  Ask for Martin.

    We don't deal with sellers while they have a current listing agreement in place with an Agent.

    Ask property managers, not agents, "do you have any properties for rent that have come to you after they didn't sell?"  It's a great way to source properties that you may be able to buy with VF.

    Another way to source the same sort of sellers is to put a ad in the To Let classifieds, along the lines of, "Professional couple looking for long term lease, with view to future purchase".

    These are just a couple of ideas that may help to put you in touch with sellers who may consider selling with VF.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi

    The vendors are offering you what we call a Second Mortgage Carry Back (SMCB), i.e. you get a first mortgage on the property for $460K (i.e. approx 73% LVR) and they will supply you with a second mortgage for $230K (you plan to use $60K to pay off debts).

    Before the GFC and the new National Credit Code, SMCB's were easy to get across the line, i.e. lenders weren't all that worried about where the money, above their loan amount, was coming from.  That is definitely not the case now and to get one across the line takes some finessing.  I'd suggest you use a mortgage broker who can show you that they've got one or two of these across the line recently.

    Also, as the property is 60 acres, is there a chance that this could be classed as a commercial/business loan?  If it could be, that could make a SMCB easier to get across the line.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Krish

    RP Data has the capability of doing a State wide or Suburb level, ownership search on a Family Name or Company name.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Liam

    We send in the variation once the IC has "exchanged" and the new buyers have taken possession.  At this point our solicitor, sends us a letter outlining all that has taken place, along with a variation form and instructions on how to fill it out.

    We complete the variation form, send it to the OSR and they come back with a letter requesting more information.  We forward this letter from the OSR to our solicitor and he supplies the OSR with the information they need..

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Liam

    The NSW Government consider land is disposed of when exchange of contracts takes place.  With an Instalment Contract (IC) exchange of contracts does take place but, of course, the title stays in the vendor's name until completion of the Contract.

    As vendors under an IC, we put in a Land Tax variation form, found at:
    http://www.osr.nsw.gov.au/lib/doc/forms/olt002.pdf
    and the land tax liability moves to the purchaser under the IC.  I've got to admit it is nice to see our land tax liability disappear in this manner ;-)

    Just to clarify, this is not the case with a Lease/Option and in Vic the Government doesn't regard the property as having been disposed of until title transfers.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Troy

    Whether I'd suggest you use VF to sell this property would depend on your future plans.  If you've set out a plan that includes a positive cash flow strategy for this property then, yes I'd probably suggest you consider selling it with VF.

    However, at this point, all that seems to have happened is your tenants have expressed an interest in buying the property.  Selling traditionally, gets all your money now and frees you from any commitment to the property.  Therefore in the greater majority of cases I'll suggest that people try a traditional sale first and, if that doesn't work, consider a VF sale.

    Once you go through the decision process above and if VF is your chosen course, then we can have a look at what VF selling strategy you might use.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Anthony

    Great advice.  If I was asked to add one more ;-) I'd suggest you be very wary of making an investment decision based on the tax benefit you'll receive.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi tjunction

    Your summary of the flow needed to buy a property with some form of vendor finance (VF) looks pretty spot on to me.  Also, yes you'd be crazy to think that you'd be able to buy any property you run across with VF.

    However we have bought a lot of properties with VF and have found that, as the years have gone by and VF has become more well known, more sellers are prepared to consider the idea.  Also that state of the market in the area you're looking has a large effect on VF offer acceptance, i.e. the flatter the market the greater the acceptance.

    "A sure alternative", definitely not but if you don't ask, the answer is no ;-)

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Mark

    Great advice from Emma and I obviously owe Jason another coffee ;-)

    While you'll often pay a premium price for a property being sold with vendor finance in a standard market (what ever that is), the current market in Qld is far from standard and there are some great buys to be had.  We have recently been able to negotiate the purchase of property, in Qld, on terms, i.e. we put down just a few thousand dollars and pay it off with instalments.  No bank required and you can make the decision whether it becomes your home or an investment property.

    I'd suggest that getting some basic vendor finance education could be well worthwhile.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Jake

    I'd recommend you have a look at the Newcastle and Port Stephens area of coastal New South Wales. Newcastle has got to be the best little city on the East Coast and Port Stephens is a great coastal holiday area right next door. All still only 1.5 to 2.5 hours from Sydney.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Sash

    I recently finished Robert Kiyosaki's latest book, Unfair Advantage.  I recommend it as a great holiday read.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Hi Amy

    I believe your understanding of the CGT implications of selling a property are correct but I'm not an accountant and I suggest you get professional advice on both your questions.  Two internet resources on this question are:
    1.  Point 5 at  http://www.jvpropertypartners.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45&Itemid=74
    2.  Page 15 at  http://www.bantacs.com.au/booklets/Capital_Gains_Tax_Booklet.pdf

    If you are selling your property with a Lease/Option you remain liable for Land Tax on that property.  If you are selling with an instalment contract, you can submit a Land Tax variation, that will move the Land Tax liability to the new VF buyers.  Usually the VF buyers are purchasing the property as their PPOR so the Land Tax liability for the property often disappears.  Point 4 at
    http://www.negative2positive.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45&Itemid=74
    also covers this.

    Cheers,  Paul

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