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    Thanks for the information and back story Benny.  It's nice to know I am barking up the right tree even if the tree is falling…or is it?

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    Mandurah in WA.  I just read an article on API that said that while the entire country had experienced growth of an average 2.2%, Perth (and so presumably its surrounding areas) saw a drop of 3.8%.crying  Mandurah is just 70kms south of Perth, situated right on the coast and has a great lifestyle.  They recently invested in a new train line to link it to Perth which was completed about four years ago and upgraded the local freeway too so now we are in easy reach of Perth.  I am reading that they expect the area to grow significantly in the next ten years and I do see that a lot of local work is going on with plans to seriously upgrade the shopping centers and upgrade of the road systems around the foreshore area.  There is a lot of tourism in the area too.

    I am new to all of this but these seem like good drivers to me or have I missed the boat since the train line and freeway have been completed for a few years now.  Would that not stimulate further growth as people realize they don't have to live in the city to work in the city.  An area in between Mandurah and Perth is also being heavily developed and they are putting in a new station too with talk of others along the line.  Like I said, I am inexperienced but these things give me the confidence to say that the place is on the up. Oh there was a brand new Marina built not so long ago too and the area is still under development there too.

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    Thanks for that I have also found on http://www.realestate.com.au that you can see that average house price for the last ten years or so.

    I'm struggling at the moment to see reports of any plans in the town where I live too to anticipate CG.  I know that there are more places to invest than just where I live but it seems sensible to do it where I live based on the fact that looking at what is, and has been going on in the area I think it will grow in size and stature and also the fact that I can readily access the property to improve it.  I wouldn't be able to do that in a hot to trot town so easily.  I'm planning on not spending much on my first IP just while I am "learning the ropes" but off the back of that too, I am told that it can also be a mistake doing it in your own town as you are tempted to meddle too much.

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    Thanks to you both.  I am in Mandurah WA.  Do you know how I find out the rates?  I would like to be able to find out the accurate council rates too.  At the moment I am taking my figures from a 3 bed that I have seen advertised and just entered the calculation to accommodate a 4 bed, 5 bed etc and added a cell in my spreadsheet of how many bedrooms. There must be a better way to calculate these figures for my due diligence.

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    Redwood wrote:
    When you get the dog boarding ste up let us know if you are in melbourne!

    I am in Mandurah I'm afraid.  I am interested in doing a house swap once I have bought and visiting Melbourne but I think that is about as close as I can get to helping you out.  We could come see Melbourne and look after your dog too…  Ever fancied Mandurah, home of the Dolphins?

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    I am new to all of this Terry and to me they seem like the same thing.  Of course there will be differences.  Would we have more protection if we structured it as a trust buying the house?  I know that initially, the entity in which the business is set up under can make differences in protection and liability.  Is this falling under the same thing.

    We intend to run a few small business's from our home as we progress. One of which would be a boat charter, or rent the boat from us based at home, ie, people pay us $200 or so a day to take a boat from us for the day on a trailer for example.  I have already mentioned the B and B or maybe renting to FIFO workers too.  Basically I want to generate as much income from the property as we are comfortable with before it starts becoming a pain and giving up too much in the way of privacy.

    I have been advised to get in touch with you since this is your field.  We hope to buy in about May.  When would I need to be considering all of this?

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    Thanks for the info.  I'll be losing that straight away then since my wife will be running a dog boarding from our house as soon as we buy it. She runs a dog walking business at the moment and she has a lot of requests for boarding which we cant do in our rental.  If I have lost that already, I may as well make as much from the property as possible in income so long as the insurances make it viable.

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    Well that's opened my eyes to something I didn't yet know too.  I didn't know that there was such a thing as CGT exemption on your main residence so thanks for that, good news.  Presumably that's as simple as it sounds.  If you make a gain on the property you live in, there is nothing to pay on tax on the gain?

    It's not something I have put a lot of though into as yet but I simply thought that since I will be buying a 4 bed house (so that family from the Uk can come and stay with us), why not rent the room out whenever I could.  If it will become a minefield it may not be worth it for the little amount of time that I may do it but if it looks like a consistent market then it may be something I do a lot.  I also have a large market for FIFO workers in my area in WA for Karratha and Port Headland workers, Tom Price etc so that could work too.

    "So you are thinking a roomshare or 'air B&B' arrangement"  I have no idea what either of those are.

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    Of course, but wouldn't it be good?

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    Joelcolley wrote:
    Hey catalyst thanks for your reply. 

    My long term goal is to replace my salary in passive income – 70000. Essentially to develop a positive cash flow  property portfolio.

    guess I would consider renting as I would likely save money each fortnight and would not have to pay annual bills. I definitely have not confirmed costs yet though but rent in my area is around 800ish a fortnight. My current p and I repayments are 730 a fortnight however if they were interest only perhaps I would save? Hmmm maybe you do have a point though.

    there is currently 70000 equity in my home however still remains to be seen how much more I could manufacture through renovating the home. Could perhaps renovate, hold and use that equity to purchase another?

    So my rental is in falcon, Mandurah, Western Australia. The house is 3×1 and the buyers agent is in Perth. 

    Thanks for the other pointers catalyst

    I'm very close to you in Mandurah too.  I would be intersted in any tips you have for people you use in the area as I am looking at buying an investment property in the area too.  I have emailed you.  Good luck.

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    Surely cash only would be no good to you because you wouldn't be able to use the costs against your tax at the end of the year.  I've assumed that cash means no receipt too?  I think the kitchen looks fine too.  I'd like to see what difference the upgrades make if you would be kind enough to post the after pictures too.  I'm new to this so it would be a good education for me to see the effects.

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    I'm watching this.  I am a huge fan of Florida and have dreams of owning property there one day. Been there 5 times and would like to be able to spend some retirement there in my own place.  They have been in trouble for a while though to my knowledge.  I looked into buying there about 5 years ago and I know there were a lot of price drops back then even and you could pick up property very cheap comparative to UK property where I was living at the time.

    Maybe you could confirm something for me while I am here.  I have a UK property which I rent out and as I now work and live in Australia visit the UK.  When I fly back I take some time to check over the property end carry out any repairs etc while I'm there.  Because of this my accountant said that I can claim a certain %age of my flight and travel costs for the trip.  My question is, if I owned in Florida would that be the same?  Do Disney tickets count as necessary expense? Market research perhaps?

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    Is there anyone in Madurah WA recommended? Not just PM's either. I would like to get in touch with anyone in this area who could help me who comes with a good recommendation even though I'm not ready to buy yet.

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    So who would be notoriously good for planning to release equity in the future and grow your portfolio.  I know you can't endorse anyone but since this is all new to me are their known players in this field?

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    Ok and thanks again for your advice.  So I guess my next question is what are common mistakes that are made?   I know that rushing in is silly and a fools game.  Research is critical and knowledge is power.  Would any of you be happy to highlight some of the mistakes you have made or point me in the direction of somewhere I could find those stories?

    Thanks again, 

    Paul

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    Benny your answer is very understandable.  I couldn't explain it to anyone else just yet but I get the principle.  Thanks

    Catalyst, I like your thoughts, to evaluate from the point of view of including the borrowed sum since you are liable for it.  

    So I need to know how to increase the value and the profit of the property just like an investor in companies needs to know how to increase the productivity and profit of the company he has shares in to produce dividends and growth, and that is where market research and market knowledge comes in.  Knowing the area is on the move for the capital growth and knowing the area to know what the rates of rent are and if you can increase them somehow.

    Cool, I feel like I can glue that piece of the jigsaw down now.  I'm confident I see where it fits into the big picture. We're getting there.

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    People will become tired of me asking questions no doubt.  Receiving the answers gives me the pieces to the jigsaw but getting those answers to stick to hard memory is the next step and during that process I am bound to cover ground two or three times and I expect that people will find that tiring but hey ho, I cant please all the people all of the time.  I'm a good guy and will pay it forward when I can so if you can all just bear with me during this learning process I will be eternally grateful.  I have learnt so much in just the last week since I found this site that I'm looking forward to what I know in a years time when I do make the move.

    Another thought in this process which I am sure you will all be familiar with is how much do actually have invested in the investment?  What I mean is, if I have put $30k down on a $250k property, and have the rest on interest only mortgage, my liability is for the full amount of course but my investment is only the $30k and if I have generated that from releasing equity on another investment property then the risk is even less..  Am I understanding this correctly?  On that basis my return on investment is based on the net rent return against the deposit, is that right?

    Just wanted to thank you all again for the advice, I know you don't have to do it so I'm really grateful that you do.

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    Thanks all.  That was my query.  So if we look at the figures above as realistic figures, how can people ever achieve the minimum 7% yield that I hear Nathan Birch saying he only invests in?   I was led to believe that your property price roughly is your weekly rent price..  ie $400k purchase will generate $400 per week.

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    Qlds007 wrote:
    Charlotte which lender did your current broker advise and why?

    From what you told me by email i have an idea who i would have recommended especially with 100K deposit but always interested to hear what someone else in the industry recommends.

    Just ask your Broker do they own a property or two and then secondly do they owe anything on them? 

    We can all buy a property and gear 110% but when you can live off the rent because owe nothing on them that is different.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    What does it mean to gear 110%?

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    I'm comfortable with investing in domestic property even though I do not know the very best way of structuring it.  I have a good idea on the best way, ie having an offset account so you are ready to take the money back out whenever you like and ensuring that you have at least a cash flow neutral property.  I know I need to buy in an area which will move to give me captial growth, I know I need to try us much as possible to buy under market value to give me a buffer and as much instant equity as possible and I know that doing renovations can increase my cashflow. As yet I don't know the very best way to gain all the benefits of tax laws and what is deductable and as yet I do not have advisors in place apart from you guys and you tube.  I know that buying in the right part of town is wise to give good access to schools and stations etc.

    What bothers me the most is that I keep reading, like above, that its good, in fact essential to set things up correctly from the start.  Thing is, how do I know when I have set things up correctly.  My first very simple goal is to get my own house paid off as quickly as possible so I can relax a lot.  I wont have to be afraid of speaking my mind at work and be scared of what is going on at work etc etc.  Living like that and being worried about being out of work is a horrible situation to be in so that is my first goal.  If I only acheive that in ten years I will be happy.  Being filthy rich would be great and I have screen savers whetting my appitite with sunseeker yaughts to keep me going but more important than the money is having free time to spend with my kids hence the menial goal.  I am a FIFO worker so I am earning good money and I want to do smart things with it rather than squander it.  I know that I lack education in finance as highlighted by Rich Dad books and I am happy to learn.  What I could really use is a mentor.  I am going to see a financial advisor with my wife so we are all on the same page and see what they have to say.

    Another thing I have going on is a small business with my wife.  She loves dogs so at the moment she has a small business walking dogs and has started pushing into boarding dogs to earn money.  I am also looking into renting out a couple of the spare rooms in my house as I live in Mandurah in WA which is quite a tourist town in the summer. I think we can do quite well from a summer B and B and turn my liability into an asset.

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