If we DID move out of our PPOR and made it an IP, couldn’t we just redraw the money thats sitting in there? (just as an alternative option to getting an offset account)
Thanks for your opinion. I have also thought it would be good to put profits from sale of IP into an offset account linked to the PPOR, instead of straight into the loan. Would this also allow us to access/use the profits without paying a redraw fee?
Does having an offset account linked to your PPOR change the interest rate or conditions on the PPOR loan at all?
Does $896 per quarter or almost $3600 per year not sound inaccurate though!?
It can’t seriously be that much.
ACT – $584 per year
Orange, NSW – $3,600 per year!
It does not make sense! It’s not fair, how can they get away with this!?? Expecially when there are pot-holed roads, <edited>ty intersections and the like around here!!???
that’s strange, considering Capital Gains Tax is based on the value at thetime the place started being rented out. Would of thought Capital Loss would be the same….
Would this work in the case of a rental property?? where the SALE price is less than the VALUE (VALUATION) of the property at the time that it started to be rented out??
or does it only work if sale price is less than the PURCHASE PRICE (what I paid for it)??
It gets even more confusing when you buy another property (like I did)….
I have to decide which property I’m going to claim as my PPOR – the one that’s now for sale (that I lived in and that was also rented out) or the new one I brought?
There is a ‘cross-over’ period of 6 months in which you can claim BOTH properties as your PPOR, but I don’t fall into this catergory.
I will cut and paste excerpts from emails that went back and forth from me to a Capital Gains Tax expert <Edited: I have removed these for the time being on the assumption that you don’t have permission for them to be published. If you do have permission then please post them again>, but beware, you may have to read them a few times over to ‘get it’.
Note: When I rang several R/E agents to get them to do an evaluation on my property as at September 2003, they advised that I should use a Licensed Property Evaluation company to do it for me. So just note that when you read the part, below, about ‘any reasonable method’.
I am in the same-ish situation as you right now and I asked a very similar question to yours, on this forum, not so long ago.
I brought a house in August 2002, lived in it until September 2003 – at which time I started renting the place out (starting producing income from the property).
The house is now for sale.
CGT law can be very confusing. I spoke to a seemily savy R/E Agent who said the CGT legislation has had 70 changes made to it in the last year alone! He also said that the ATO, at the moment, is keeping a particularly watchful eye on tax surrounding aquiring and disposing of property.
Anyways, I digress….
From what I have researched (both on here, over the phone, and various emails) this is what I have learnt, so far, about CGT.
You have to get a valuation done (by a licensed Property Evaluation company) of your property to ascertain the Market Value of it at the time you started renting it out.
This is then your COST BASE.
Then (I think) it goes a little something like this:
SELLING PRICE – (COST BASE + SELLING COSTS) =
YOUR CAPITAL GAIN.
If you lived in the property yourself for at least 12 months, before you started renting it out, then you will only be charged 50% of Capital Gains Tax, instead of 100%.
From what I understand, this amount is then charged at your OWN MARGINAL TAX RATE. This is because your Capital Gain is added to your Income Tax (for the year that you sell the property). So depending on what your income for that year is and what your capital gain is, and after claiming all deductions and applying all depreciatable items, will determine what TAX BRACKET you come into, with 48.5% being the highest.
I live in the close vicinity of Dubbo and can tell you that those streets are located in the North/West part of Dubbo which is the ‘yucky’ (so to speak) part of town. The whole of Dubbo is a bit drab bit this area is particularly so. Tenants will most likely be from the lower socio-economic group so there might be problems with rent being paid and the condition of the premises being kept in good order.
I often wonder, about these areas, if only a group of investors could get together, buy the whole area up, renovate/improve all the houses, and we’d be set!!
I would like to sell because I want to put the profits of the house into my pertner’s and I’s mortgage so that we can pay IT down to a minimum amount so that in 4-5 years time, we can afford to live off a single income (because we will start a family).
I figure with house prices slowly dropping over the next few years and keeping in mind the INTEREST WE WILL SAVE on our mortgage (by paying off a large chunk now)…..well the increase in value of my property (that’s going to be for sale) will probably not even come come the amount of interest we will save on our mortgage.
BTW, still unsure about whether or not to try and rent the [for sale] property out or not, guess I will just see how many bites I get (both with people wanting to rent it and buy it). My sister said to speak to the banmk about putting a hold on repayments until the property is sold, or making the loan interest only, or something, so that we can manage the repyments whilst we’re not receiving rental income.
I’d really appreciate if you took a look at this (response from this CGT specialist company I emailed) and see what you think….thanks.
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As you have established both properties as your main residence and moved in as soon as practicably possible, you have a choice as to what property was your main residence for CGT purposes, so long as you do not claim another property as your main residence for the same period of time.
Therefore, the ACT property (Property A) was your main residence from October 2002 to August 2004 (even though rented from Sept 2003 as you have not claimed another residence as your main residence as you were renting).
Option 1:
Property A remains main residence for CGT purposes (for up to October 2008) under absentee owner 6 year rule with NO Capital Gains Tax payable on sale of Property A. HOWEVER the property you are currently living (Property will be subject to CGT as it would be regarded as non-main residence from August 2004 (even though you are living in it) until you sold Property A.
Option 2:
Property A main residence from October 2002 until August 2004 and non-main residence from August 2004 until sold (CGT payable) AND Property B CGT exempt.
The choice of selecting the main residence for what period is made when either one of the properties is sold.
Summary:
Sell Property A with NO CGT payable BUT incur CGT upon sale of Property B OR Sell Property A and pay some CGT AND NO CGT liability to date on Property B.
To work out the CGT liability for non-main residence Property = (net sale price less gross cost price x (non-Main Residence period/total ownership period).
If Option 1 is chosen – relevant legislation would need to be produced under an ATO audit & record and calculation of current CGT liability on Property B needs to be kept.
If Option 2 was selected then relevant legislation & calculation would have to be made in the year of sale of Property A.
CGT Solutions can provide relevant legislation and calculations.
Regards
CGT Solutions
Original Message
From: pasbec [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, 5 March 2005 8:19 PM
To: CGT Solutions
Subject: Re: Capital Gains Tax
Hello,
Thanks for your reply. Please see my responses below in red.
Cheers,
Penny.
Original Message
From: CGT Solutions
To: ‘pasbec’
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:52 AM
Subject: RE: Capital Gains Tax
Hi Penny
Thank you for your question regarding Capital Gains Tax (CGT).
In order to give you a solution to your question, we need to clarify some of the facts.
On what date (approximately) did you:
1. Purchase and move into the dwelling? August and October 2002, respectively.
2. Rent out the property? September 2003
3. Intend to sell the property? This year, hopefully April, May or June
When you moved out of the property and rented it out
1. Where did you live? (e.g. rented accommodation, overseas or another property you purchased) Rented until August 2004, when the house (we brought in June) settled and we could move in.
Have you (or your spouse) owned another property during the ownership of the ACT property? Yes, the one we currently live in.
Depending on the answers to the above questions, you may or may not be liable for CGT upon sale of the property.
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Thank you for your question regarding Capital Gains Tax (CGT).
In order to give you a solution to your question, we need to clarify some of the facts.
On what date (approximately) did you:
· Purchase and move into the dwelling? August and October 2002, respectively.
· Rent out the property? September 2003
· Intend to sell the property? This year, hopefully April, May or June
When you moved out of the property and rented it out
· Where did you live? (e.g. rented accommodation, overseas or another property you purchased) Rented until August 2004, when the house (we brought in June) settled and we could move in.
Have you (or your spouse) owned another property during the ownership of the ACT property? Yes, the one we currently live in.
Depending on the answers to the above questions, you may or may not be liable for CGT upon sale of the property.
Well, after punching numerous ‘hypothetical’ figures on a few different scenarios, I think I’ve worked out the best way to go with this. Could you all have a look and give me your opinion, please? Ta!
I believe the best course of action for us would be to:
sell IP in Canberra and put profits from it into our PPOR loan
then
buy a new (cheaper) IP and borrow extra money for renovations on top of it.
This scenrio is the most tax effective and the one that will pay off our PPOR loan the quickest (about 4 years).