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Hi
We have migrated to Aus. in 1988 with $40 in pocket and $4000 debt, two suitcases and two children. I have studied BBus(Acc/Comp) from 89 whilst juggling two children,full time work, new culture, different shifts for hubby and myself…….the whole lot. It was hard, but it helped us save for our first home within 10months of arriving here (fortunuately the home we bought had a huge vacant block of land behind it)Now 17 years later, I am studying for Masters, have 3 houses and are in the process of signing contrcts for 4 more. I love studying and expanding my knowledge. I would not stop doing that for anything, and I also love investing and learning everything there is to learn about it, by reading books. I am also working full time, active in voluntary work, have 3 children and a household to run.
My point, studying is equally important to investing provided you enjoy it. The things you learn studying at Uni are always transferable skills and they are incredibly valuable in life. It comes down to attitude and patience and delayed gratification. so if i were you, I would finish my degree whilst saving as much as i can. Once I got a good job then it is just a matter of years to decide whether “i have to go to the job because I have to pay bills” or “i want to go to the job because i like it”
Hope this makes sense.
Thanks
Padma[grad]Hi all
It is always inspirational to read success stories that anyone could learn from. Here is my share of success story as unwinding.
After having completed conversion of our IP’s and PPOR into student accommodation and put it on autopilot (just watching the bank to see that the money is rolling in), I have gone into it a bit bigger – Joint venture with my boss (at work). We found 4 townhouses on the same block, one older and 3 brand new from round the corner of my other 2 IP’s. 2 new ones are still being built, one is completed and other is older one. Between the 4 houses we would make it into 19 room student accommodation.
Here are the figures:
Owner wanted $945K
Negotiated it to $880K to be settled on 1st Dec 05
Will get them ready for new student intake beginning from mid dec.
Gross yield on this property is 11.5%. I have every confidence after having done student accommodation, that it will be filled up within no time. We would become the major accommodation provider in town and I have excellent contacts in Uni.
We are in the process of setting up a unit trust with a corporate trustee.
The net yield before depreciation is taken into account is 1.8%, may not be a lot but for the 1st joint venture it is quite good I reckon. We are planning to expand our ventures into the future and do not see any problems ( as we all get along very well).
I am quite happy to having gone from 3 IP’s to 5IP’s or is it 7? within a year’s time and all returning around 11 to 12% and more on my other properties.
I do get a buzz reading all the posts. Thanks for allowing me to share our success in a small way.
Regards
Padma[biggrin]Originally posted by Don and Liz:Hi Padma,
That is something I had not even thought of. What can you buy for Rs.35. Do you need a visa? Well you wouldn’t I suppose but what about people who only have an aussie passport.
Cheers
Hi Liz
Yes you would need a visa, even I do, as I am an aussie now. India is such a vast country and culture wise there is so much to take in, you cannot possibly cover the length and breadth of India in one trip. You would need to do it in sections, like north, south, west and east. particularly north and south cannot be combined in one trip and take all in. Purely because, North indian tourist attractions are all based on islamic culture and show the Moghul rule influence, south Indian tourist attractions are definitely hindu oriented and the architecture reflects that. Both are equally fascinating, educating and wonderful experiences. Throughout India you would also see the British influence as India was ruled by the British for well over 300 years. Every one had a share of Indian bounty and from what I understand, before other countries started invading India, it was the world’s richest country.
Sounds like I am trying to sell India – I am not, but it is a fascinating country so much so that tourists have a love or hate relationship with it.
Best thing would be go to tourism india website, I don’t have the reference but I am sure googling will give plenty of results, and collect some brochures and stuff from travel agents and then decide whether you want to experience it. One thing I can promise you it would be definitely an eye opening experience.
Regards
PadmaOriginally posted by Don and Liz:Hi Chewy,
We would be looking for somewhere warm with a bit of culture and not to many tourist. Oh and a good exchange rate. I now it’s alot to ask but who knows there could be a place out there.
Cheers
Hi
Why not try India?
Warm – Yes
Culture – definitely…oodles of it
Less tourists- may be but many, many MANY locals
If you can withstand the initial culture shock, I reckon India can be a cheap holiday as you get Rs.35 for your dollar, and yes it would buy reasonably.
You need to be brave and perhaps need a friend from here who is Indian, so you don’t get ripped off – well not much anyway.
Padma
PS: How do I know? I am from India.[blush2]Hi Collie
Congratulations on your first acquisition. Well done. One down, 99 to go atleast. Would love to catch up with you sometime.
PadmaHad a hearty laugh. Thanks
PadmaRobert
To buy subject to DA, do you need to actually apply for a DA in the council or just get their verbal advice whether or not the area in question and the block in particular is likely to be approved for a DA?Padma
Originally posted by Terryw:You should also look at maybe setting up a LOC to pay for rental expenses – even interest. This will allow you to pay off your home loan earlier.
How do you that Terry? Could you please explain in detail. I would like to do that if possible.
Thanks
PadmaHi Det
“Just when you think you’ve got something worked out, someone puts another spin on the idea. I suppose that’s when you have to decide what is best for you.”BINGO
“I am looking forward to the day that I claim more than just my drycleaning and calculator!”
GOOD LUCK
Cheers
Padma“Why buy when prices have started falling? Would it not be better to buy when they have finished falling?”
When would that be?
PadmaDet,
At no point in my post was I suggesting to go and buy 10 properties outright. I was merely pointing out how much equity you have and how you are not using it to your advantage. I am saying this with great trepidation, but at the moment seems to me you are making everybody else richer than yourself (taxman etc.,).
As far as living off debt goes, it is a strategy based on the assumption of capital growth ( from what little I understand so far). I think there might be a few people doing this on this forum.
If the idea of investing in property is a long term hold strategy, then why should it matter what the cycles are doing – as long as you buy well. don’t you make money when you buy?
Also Foundation, “to sell now will require vendors in most areas to accept lower offers than they could have expected a year or two ago” – Wouldn’t that mean NOW is the time to buy?I guess each to their own in this game. It all boils down to what level are you comfortable with. As Oshen was saying if we listen to every piece of advice coming our way, we will never be able to make up our minds.
I was only trying to point out – given your situation – you are wasting your time and money by even indulging in this discussion. You have equity and serviceability even if it were negatively geared for a little period of time. What are you waiting for?
If I were you, I would be actively looking at using that equity in buying quality property in quality location being close enough to either +CF or neutral, reduce my tax liability, increase my portfolio so that I can retire in the next 5 to 8 years time.
But then that is me and I am reckless.
Bye
PadmaHi Det
I think (from what little I know) you are in quite an enviable position. If you paid off your home, have no other debts, have two jobs, two lovely kids – what are you waiting for?
Did you realise with the equity in your home, you can buy atleast 10 average 250K properties around australia. with a bit of research, they could be both +Cf and CG.
OR
You could put the 70K in super, borrow of your equity to live and one of you can give up your job – NOW
There is NO right time to invest in property – NOW is the only time, provided you do your due diligence.
Looks to me fear is holding you back in the name of conservatism.
Look deeply within – what is holding you?
Hope you didn’t take offence to this. Would love to hear progress from you.
Regards
PadmaHI
I have heard the Betty and butter differently. Here goes
“Betty bought some butter
But the butter was bitter
So Betty bought some better butter
to make the bitter butter better”thanks
PadmaHi Carlin
Sorry I could not get back to you earlier. PM me and I will reply soon. apologies, just being busy.
Regards
PadmaHi Hugo
Why can’t you turn your Fiance’s PPOR into an IP? You don’t need to do anything then. YOu live in a fully paid for house and convert her mortgage into deductible loan. Just a thought
Cheers
PadmaDazzling
It may have been a low $20 perhour whilst we were doing the work setting it up, but now I don;t need to do anything than receipt the rent and pay the bills which shouldn’t be more than 1hr a week, if that and my husband needs to clean the places – may be 3hours a week. Our return then became $250/- per hour gross.
The point I was making in this and in the earlier threads is the general overall perception that Students = Bad investment. Not true always.
PadmaI have 5 girls sharing one bathroom and separate toilet as well. No problems. Have 3 in the other house sharing a Bathroom and a separate toilet.
Master bedroom tenant pays a little bit extra because of the ensuite.
I didnot even bother enquiring with the council. What is class1A and class 1B?
Padma[teal]Vendors say you could rent each room for $100/wk and thus have income of $400-$700 per week. But does it actually work this way? For example, if you were student 5,6 or 7 (in the 7 bedroom example) would you be that keen to move in with 4 other people? Does any “in-fighting” in the group of 7 lead to people moving out more frequently? If no studets are available, would you need to consider the broader rental market ($250-$300 per week in my area).
Personality clashes are an inevitable part of life and people will have to learn to deal with them or move on. If you are student no.5,,or 7 as you say, it depends how comfortable and practical the premises are for them to stay on. We have 6girls in the one house for the last 3 weeks and they seem to be getting along great. There is a lot of living space around them, so they don’t need to be on top of one another and that is important.
Our average rental works out to be $105 per room and we have one house with 6 and another with 4, that is a $1040.00 income per week.Also, if you had a property you could rent for $400-$700/wk, why would anyone sell it
[blue]Why would I want to kill the goose that lays golden eggs. This is our retirement as long as the Uni in the area is growing, our plan would work. When the Uni is not growing or doing good(which I doubt very much), then I would rent in the normal market,by that time, mortgage had reduced substantially and we would be +cf anyway.
As far as students being noisy and putting curfews on their night activities goes, it won’t work. We got to treat them as mature adults and put the onus back on them and their responsibility towards others in the house. Not every student is a party animal (my experience with the students we have)
Padma[biggrin]Hi Sharon
Make up a flyer highlighting all the positives of your accommodation i.e., how close to all the ameneties like bus stops, train stops, supermarkets, to uni etc., what have you included in the rent along with your contactdetails and give it to the student accommodation services at the uni and they will do the rest. Atleast that’s what they did to me.
May be timing wise it is too late right now because most of the students would have settled, but you could get the place rent it out for about 8 months and come dec, be ready with it. Uni’s normally advertise in their student acc.register around 15 Dec. when the early round of offers go out, you would be getting enquiries.
Also to maximise your return, see if you can convert the 4br to 5br house. With minimum expense you could turn it into a +CF.
We definitely are going to continue to invest in this market. Key is the distance to the uni and the ameneties availability.
Good luck
PadmaHi
I have just finished converting 2 houses on the same block, one 4BR and another 6BR for student accommodation, they filled almost a month before they were ready. yes, students want quality accommodation, the neater it is the neater they will maintain.
We have included power,gas, weekly cleaning and internet provision in the rent. they are leased for 48weeks payment for 52 weeks lease, provided they come back. We ended up getting nice kids and their parents are very happy the way it is all set up.
Costed us upto 20K in doing it all up but chances are we don’t need to look for new students for another 4years atleast. Uni is very happy and are promoting our accommodation and recommending it to students.
It was hard work assembling 10lots of furniture but it is well worth the effort and the fact that we are going to do the cleaning once a week, we can keep an eye on the property.
I think we have created for us a nice little retirement package. Anymore questions, feel free to ask.
It was stressful but well worth the effort.
Padma