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    IT industry. Been support, system admin, network admin, etc currently working as a software developer.

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    A good way to do it is rent it out for 12 months then do the reno then sell and claim the 50% Tax free.

    westan


    Fantastic idea man – I’d never thought of that. Providing that the renovation costs don’t increase too much over 12 months (which they shouldn’t)… [:)]

    Of course the PPoR idea is great too – if you like the ‘renovation / PPoR’ game.

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    Damn! I knew I was aiming too high when I looked at houses instead of caravans… hehehe [:D]

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    /me impersonates Golem

    “Wes’ hates that song!”

    [:P]

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    Pert: If your current mortgate is a strain, then I’d definitely say to sell up and rebuild – providing you come out ahead if you take that course.

    Good luck mate!

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    MJKMJK: Thanks mate – I had a feeling thats the way it is. Bummer. LoL.

    Ah well, come selling time I guess I’ll be happy.

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    I got a question pert: Is your current loan 145k placing a strain on your finances (ie hard to service)? I think that is the crux for determing if you should sell or refinance to invest (though I could be wrong).

    Atm you say you have around 305k equity (450 property – 145 mortgage). At 80% LVR you could borrow 244k to be used for investing purposes.

    However, if you sell (leaving you with roughly 305k cash, I’ll ignore costs) – how much would it cost you to rebuild? Already you’ve said the land is about 135k, so that leaves you with 170k to build a house. That’s not much – is it enough to build a house for you?

    This brings me back to my first question. If the reason for selling is cause of strain on your finances, I don’t think it’s wise to get MORE loans that might be unservicable for you too.

    So while selling doesn’t seem the best, it might be the best option.

    Man – I hope that makes sense cause I kinda forgot what I was trying to say… LoL. Sorry. [:I]

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    That’s alright, $44,200 in rent and $30-$33,000 IO repayments, leaves $14-$16,000pa for everything, including principle repayments.


    These number just don’t add up? Ok 44,200 in rent which is $850*52 is correct. Where did you get 30-33,000 in IO payments? the property is 640,000 less deposit of lets say 20% = 512,000. At a normal rate of 8% that equals 40,960 in IO payments per annum. So IO payments are greater than rental income, thus making a loss And these calculations don’t take into consideration closing costs!!

    So it is far from a good +ve cashflow property.


    Presuming an 8% interest rate is where your calculations are wrong. At 6 to 6.5% interest, I believe his numbers weigh up ok.

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    Yes, my accountant told me that too. In fact he said that you should only claim depreciation when your tax return needs it (ie to stop yourself forking out cash to the tax man). However in years where you are getting a return WITHOUT depreciation, do NOT claim depreciation.

    Makes sense to me. Cause afterall, you are just deferring the tax with depreciation.

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    Yes, it can be race between how fast you can save and how fast the market is moving.


    Yep, I think what Jazz & Michael have just said hit it on the head.

    If the market moves faster than you can save – go for the loan now regardless of whether you need to pay LMI. But then, its up to you in the end whether you want to do that.

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    Is this in Tassie? Situation looks similar to other properties I’ve seen. If it is, I can let you know what RE agents have told me.


    No, not in Tassie. I’ve been checking Tasmania but been finding it hard to find +ve properities… [:)]

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    Westpac offers a similiar package, ‘Professional Package’ which I have. I think it’s based on income (60k+ single, 100k+ couple).

    Details: $300 per year, -0.6% loans > 250k, -0.7% loans > 350k (I think), 2 gold credit cards, no yearly/establishment fees on any loans (not sure if there is a max), linked in with a 100% offset account, LOC etc.

    All in all, I’m pretty happy with it as it offers amazing flexibility. Still, seems to compare with what ANZ offers you maggie so it would appear my ‘special’ deal is the norm… lol! [:P]

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    Well, I rang up about the property and here’s the info I got:

    3br fibro, carport, A/C, lounge, kitchen etc.

    Cost: 20k

    Rent: 75pw
    Mgt fee @ 9%: 6.75pw
    Rates/water: 13.50pw
    Insurance: 4pw
    Morgage P&I @ 5.97%: 32.10

    = +18.65pw.

    However, on talking to the agent he said that the current tenant is looking to break the lease and that the vendor had agreed. So looks like no tenant. The agent also said vacany was a problem but that it was on the ‘good’ side of town – who knows how true that is… lol.

    Cash on cash returns though look pretty good however as I can access 20k already (LOC) – whether I’d want to buy without tenant is another question.

    Ah well, I’d say maybe it’s not a good buy afterall… [:)]

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    From what I know, it’s best to keep your properties under seperate morgages. ie each property has its own seperate loan.

    This way you can correctly determine has much interest you paid on each property, how much monies you own on each property etc. Its easier to manage when it comes to tax time.

    But then again, I could be wrong. Others thoughts? [:)]

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    For my first house (PPOR) I had to get MI. Property was 118k, deposit was roughly 20k & loan was 104k. Something like that anyway.

    On buying my second house (1st IP) I didn’t have to pay MI due to equity in my PPOR etc. So as the others have said, its easier to get loans without MI after your 1st property (providing you have some equity in your existing properities).

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    olorin sledge – did the numbers stack – up??


    I’m yet to call, will call today. Though I’m kinda scared… lol. I only have 1 IP and I didn’t exactly do much research when buying it (read -ve) so asking all these questions off Real Estate agents is abit daunting for me.

    Bah – [:I]

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    I agree with Di_Cam. I personally consider it morally and ethically wrong to turf a 94 yr old on the street – I don’t care if it’s “only business” or not.

    My two cents worth… [:)]

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    Thanks for the advise westan, appreciate it.

    I’ll look at getting insurance/rates/water/mgt costs and check the numbers.

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    price



    20k

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    Rent as is



    $75 pw

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    What can be doneto increase rent



    Not sure – has A/C.

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    How many vacant houses in the town



    I do know that there are a number of properities in the town being sold, with most being around the 30k+ price range. Initial glances on rentals doesn’t show anything…

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    If a minning town how many years left in the mine, can town survive without a mine?



    I doubt it – though the town has 3 motels and about 5 hotels so it can’t be too bad.

    To be honest, I haven’t checked rates/insurance/mgt fees etc but at first glance its close to 19.5% gross pa. I still need to do due diligence but was wondering if its a waste of time to start based on nil/low capital growth gains…

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