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Mortgage Adviser there is no breach at all as I NEVER called. They called ME. The clients that is.
It goes like this. Broker gets approached by client. Client applies for finance on a house they are keen on. Broker can’t get them finance. Broker suggests they call me. They call. I buy house with loan from broker. I wrap house to client. Everybody happy.
MA I have formed the opinion after seeing a lot of your posts that you may be a few neurons short in the bowling ball department.
You dont seem to pick up on a lot of stuff that is blatently obvious. I’m not 100% sure yet but if you continue to make assumptions without getting the facts then I am sure the indictment will soon be made. Maybe an ignore button would be a useful addition to this site?
Monahan, the brokers get paid exactly the same as if they had organised a normal loan, as in fact, that is what they are doing.
I’ve had a couple of referrals like this. Also some from Real Estate agents who have had deals fall over because of finance problems.
The broker likes it as he gets another loan and the agent likes it as they get another house sold.
Hi Julia,
I think the template Steve is referring to is a template of particular words like wrap, Steve etc. If you type any of these words in your posts then hey presto they are automatically underlined and up pops the advertising that Steve so chooses.
I guess you can’t blame him for plugging his wares wherever he can on his own site so the choice is leave, put up with it or avoid the “words”. This would in practicality be pretty pointless imo. We don’t know what all the words are in the template so you would be editing your posts all the time to remove them. Unfortunately, they don’t show in preview. After time you would know them all but can you be bothered?
I really enjoy your posts. It’s great to have a professional give so freely. Can I ask if you do pack up and go that you go to Somersoft or one of the other property related sites? We’ll organise a welcome party!
Yes, Rick was there. I sat next to him and his wife.
Hi Destined,
To answer your question I live in Sydney but I spend a fair bit of time in my place at Noosa.
I don’t post too much but I have followed your investing path Brenda. Well done. Your attitude and approach to investing really is exceptional. For what it is worth I think that in the current market your stance is also very prudent.
Wishing you all a very happy and healthy 2005.
Oldtimer
Good to see young people having a go. My story is not greatly exceptional as it has taken me quite a few years but here goes.
I started investing around 30 years ago in the early 70’s.
Finance was extremely hard to get in those days and a friendly bank manager was a necessity to get any sort of bank money. Unlike my peers at the time I saved my money and soon was able to purchase my first PPOR, a unit in Kogarah for around 20K, I think. I managed to save enough to buy another one brand new in 1978 for 37K. I’d never do that these days unless I could get a good deal on it. This one had water views over the bay and as luck would have it we had a property boom similar to the one we just had.
This more than doubled the value of my places and I leveraged into some apartments and houses in the Sutherland shire. I think I paid 65K for the houses. Not great houses but in good locations. We then had a property slump for a few years, 83 on and you could pick up properties cheap again. I then started to buy run down houses in and around the Eastwood, Carlingford area.
I was still only in my 30s so did a lot of the work myself to renovate them. Then a big problem happened, high interest rates hit in the late 80’s. I had to drop a couple of places to stay above water. Real estate didn’t do too much for a number of years and if I remember rightly around 1994-5 it reached its nadir. I started to buy up in Noosa at this time. There were for sale signs everywhere and it was easy to knock 30 to 40% off the asking price. Noosa Waters land was sub 200k and average 3 bedders could be bought for 130k. Higher end places were 200 to 300k. It took a few years but another boom happened and the rest is history. In the 30 years I have been in the game it has been ever thus…boom, bust or stagnation then boom again and the cycle repeats.
My equity in property is about 15 million I think at the present.
Looking back it is interesting to look at what happened to my peers from school. At a recent reunion I discovered the Dux of my year rented his whole life and had plenty of “if only stories†to tell. That new Torana he bought on HP back in 1974 didn’t make him too much money. This is one reason why most end up on the pension. They have to have it all now. I still drive just an ordinary Toyota but I must admit cars never really did anything for me. I’m only in my early 50s and retired from my job in 1998.
The things I’ve learned along the way is make sure you have good asset protection. Once you are wealthy someone will want to take it off you. Make sure you have an exit strategy if things go pear shaped, ie high rates, falling asset values. But above all do something. These forums are full of people who will never do anything. Successful people do what the majority are not prepared to do. It is far easier to become wealthy in this country today than at any other time in my opinion.
I tend to agree with Julia & Myydral. I don’t like the auto underliner either.
Not to all lease options Rob, just the ones where the tenant would qualify for rent assistance.
Where else Rob…our good ol’ government with your tax money.
http://www.familyassist.gov.au/internet/fao/fao1.nsf/content/payments-ra#1
Yes Felicity I know where you are coming from and you are right.
My situation is a little different. I have been a real estate investor since around 1974 I think. Over the time since I think I’ve just about seen it all.
My income from investments is quite good these days so getting finance is no longer a problem for me.The cashflow is not as important as growing the overall wealth.
I have learnt how to do wraps now so I can pass on the strategy to my children and some of my friends. Something learnt is never wasted.
Robert, the wrap pack I have from Steve does not have a contract in it but it is his early one, circa 2001. It does have references as to what needs to be legally covered however.Lewis O’Brien was the applicable authority. I think Steves later one does but I’m not 100% sure. I would surmise it would only be good for Victoria anyway .
I was going to post the whole relevant section here but I don’t think the intellectual property that created it is mine to give away.
Why not have a think about making an appointment with one of the wrap solicitors to walk you through the whole thing. The cost is negligible ( a few hundred $$)and far better than going to and fro on this forum.
Quite frankly the wraps I’ve done over the last 3 years have not made me as much money as if I’d just kept them as rentals.
I’ve been refinanced out of around half of them which means they are worth a lot more than what I wrapped them for.
If I’d kept them as rentals I would have all that capital gain for myself. As for the other half, I reckon most of those will go over the next year or so.
Wrapping can be quite intensive and a lot of hands on is needed to do it properly if you have a number of properties. It certainly is not the be all and end all of property investing imo.
Robert, I think you will find that the caveat clause Michael refers to is standard in most wrap contracts.
Because specific conditions must be met before the removal is exercised not one of the solicitors who my purchasers have taken the contract to has queried it. Thats in over a few dozen wraps with many different solicitors. Guess there will be a lot of disbarred solicitors soon
If you call Cordato Partners in Sydney I’m sure they will be able to provide a wrap contract for you to peruse. Steve has it as part of his wrap pack legalese too I think.
I think the media are just amazing. It was only a couple of years ago that ACA called Steve “Melbournes Housing Hero”.
Fast forward to now and what he was doing then has now become villainous.Go figure.
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. If this is the way it is then the increased valuations and sales seem to account for the lions share of the “profit”.
As the cashflow is a gross amount the net amount would probably be somewhat reduced after removing what may be considerable expenses?
Manoj,
From the info at the link you posted it appears you are the proprietor of site. Easy to see how you got your info there
Call Tony Cordato.
He does the lions share of the wrap contracts in NSW.Cordato Partners 9290 2773
Maybe the lesson is stay out of the media [biggrin]