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    I think this is a good thing Ivan

    However I suspect that like most things ASIC do it will need to nothing.

    If these people were serious then they should be prosecuted.

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    I spent 15 months with my partner Rob Keeler before we put a single deal together. Unless you develop a contact and perform due diligence on them you are more likely to lose money than make it. You either have to find someone to work with or go over and hope you make a good contact. If you decide to do it all from Australia and do not want to use someone on the ground then you may well be losing money.

    I deal in Orlando which I feel is a great market and a safe one

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    There are always opportunities however you must have someone that you can trust on the ground if not you re playing Russian Roulette

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    We do this all the time. I am currently in Florida and my partner is based here. We do everything for flipping properties to higher level commercial properties. However to do this yourself you need to live here and understand the market, easier said then down.

    How successful you are with investing is determined by who you are dealing with.

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    I am back in Florida at present buying more deals and doing more forward planning. Market conditions are good however it is always important to do your due diligence. When it comes to the US your investing who you deal with on the ground will determine your success

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    Then you have a free and clear property

    However

    How big is it?

    How many bedrooms?

    I think that this is a bad investment, however how bad depends of my 2 questions

    Also where is it?

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    Firstly most banks will treat this as a commercial loan so you will need a larger deposit.

    Secondly capital growth on these properties does not really happen infact in some cases the values fall

    The returns are not good

    Now the purpose of an investment property is to get cash flow and growth since this investment does not do either why would you touch it.

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    Firstly I am not against buying off the plan but it comes down to due diligence and being very careful with what you buy

    These things include looking at the size of the apartment

    If they are to small then may have problems with resale

    Look at what you are paying. Does the apartment off the plan represent value to what else is on the market

    There is a reason the reserve bank are urging caution with investment properties. In the CBD of Melbourne alone there are some 4000 apartments coming out of the ground. Whatever are the tax advantages in new properties goes out the window if the project is to small as you may have difficulty with renting or selling them.

    I have been involved in a 17 unit apartment complex in Essendon and most of the sales have been to owner occupiers, so I am not against off the plan or new I just think that you need to due diligence carefully. If you are dealing with a marketing company they will often sell you a property based on what offers them the best commission not what is going to be the best deal for you. Whether new or Established the deal has to work on a number of levels

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    Hi Jared

    You should be able to buy an apartment in that range but do not buy off the plan and stay out of the CBD. The only thing you will buy off the plan at this range will be small or student apartments. Do not touch them. Look for older apartments as to where to can add value. There is nothing wrong with apartments as an investment. But you need to do your due diligence carefully.

    First pick out an area and then get to know it like the back of your hand.
    Go through all open for inspections during the weekend and drive by the others
    Also inspect rental opens that will give you a good idea of returns
    Once you have done this over a few weeks you will get a good idea as to the values in the area and with that knowledge it will help you to know when you have found a great buy

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    I have not brought in NZ since 2005 so I am not sure

    However I would urge caution as this market is very strong with prices in Auckland being about the same as those in Sydney. The economy is strong but its hard to see how this growth can continue. I think it is only a matter of time before we see a correction.

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    When buying commercial property in Australia you need to be careful with the type you buy. Generally a blue chip commercial property is a lot more expensive than a residential one. Be careful when buying things like cheap warehouse because if there is a downturn in the economy these properties lose value quickly.

    With a residential property the value is in the land and the building in commercial it is normally based on the cap rate. So if a building is rented for $25,000 and sells for a 10% cap then it would be worth $250,000. The problem wit this type of invest is what is the value if you lose the tenant.

    I personally buy commercial property in the United States where we get higher returns for a much cheaper acquisition price.

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    I am personally buying properties in the United States. We are looking at everything from apartment complexes and Hotels.

    What I find is that the level of returns is high

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    Not quite show how I was advertising when I was talking about a property we are closing on in the United States. In other words I am talking about something I have done not promoting

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    Ivan you and I should talk about smsf for us Property

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    Thanks for your 2 cents worth Engelo

    I have a full time partner in Florida and have just spend the last three weeks on the ground. We took nearly 3 months putting this deal together. So yes a huge amount of due diligence. Once the deal closes on the 12 September I will put up a detailed review

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    I have just got back from Florida and the number one rule of investing successfully in the United States is the quality of the person you are working with.

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    To me the United States offers great opportunities to invest and I believe that as the economy continues to improve it will only get better. However whether you succeed or not depends on who you are dealing with.

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    I could not agree with Richard more

    Most of these companies are making huge commissions they are often pushing properties that are not selling in the general market at and that’s why developers often offer marketing companies large commissions. The purpose to invest is to make money why would you buy something that is over priced. Richard buys things in Australia for clients and I represent people who buy in the United States. Try dealing with people that have your best interests at heart rather than marketing companies that are just looking to there next commission

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    To be fair unlike many companies they at least say who is working there.

    However just reading between the line its sounds like John Fitzgerald 10 properties in 10 years it sounds as if they are selling house and land packages. If that’s the case they are making at least $30,000 per sale. Its sounds as though they are just another marketing company.

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    What you will find is that there is a massive number of small apartments coming out of the ground in most of our major cities.
    I am sure you will find plenty of groups will to sell them to you.

    The reason

    They cannot sell them so they offer marketing groups large commissions.

    Do not touch anything under 50 square meters and I would also suggest to stay away from the CBDs in Australia. If we take Melbourne as an example I believe that we will see the property values in the CBD fall and that means many may be hard to settle.

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    I agree however the deal we have put together has a very good cash flow however I agree with you when you can get high LVRs and low interest rates it is like putting petrol on a fire it has to push up prices. You only have to look at what has happened in Texas this is a market that did not fall at all.

    I also agree that construction is the future. I will be back in Florida next week to look with my partner who was a developer before the GFC at development and we are also doing deals as well.

    However there are still good deals on retail office and industrial it all comes down to research and due diligence.

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