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    Hi Catalyst

    It does come down to experience it sounds like you did do your due diligence. Sometimes you can do all the research and things can still go wrong, that to a degree is the nature of property.

    But I come across people everyday who go to a seminar and commit to buy a property off the plan without doing any due diligence. These people are often sold on the basis of saving on tax. I have seen people buy hotel suites and student accommodation on that basis. 

    Dont even get me started on America were people buy off the interest or even ebay. However thats another post.

    What I am saying is the more due diligence you do the less chance of you making a serious mistake.

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    I think the important point is that most people who have a bad experience with an investment property have done so because they have not carried out enough due diligence. How often do people buy an overpriced property through a marketing company and do so because the salesman said it would be a good investment.

    It is a matter of using common sense. Today even if you are buying interstate the internet will at least allow you to look at prices in the area you are looking to buy in. It does not take a lot of effort to do this. As mentioned you should travel and see the property in person and the area. Do not rely on photos of the property, they often do not tell the whole story. How often when traveling on holidays do you see an Olympic swimming pool in a photo to find that it was a duck pond on arrival.

    If you do not do any due diligence you have to take responsibility.

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    I know what you mean Richard, my wife has not really put on weight for 20 years and she asks me every day what happened to my figure. I just tell her that like investments i keep growing in value.

    Well down jac and Richard and happy birthday my Richard, but your glad the power come back on to celebrate. 

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    Richard is great and located in Brisbane

    You wont go wrong

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    It really depends on who the buyers agent is. I think that if you get a good one they are worth the weight in  gold. I have done a lot of buyers advocate work over the years, both in Australia and the United States.

    Again you need to do your own due diligence on the advocate to make sure that they will deliver a worthwhile service

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    Josua

    Again there are much better opportunities around than Detroit so why take the risk. In America as in anywhere else it is a matter of buying in the best location to give you a good cash flow and also some capital growth. I see no benefit in buying in Detroit it is a third rate market with little chance of real growth that will cause you problems.

    So why take the risk. So where are you based you seem to be selling properties in many markets do you have offices in each?

    I tend to deal in markets I understand. I have a partner in Florida and I used to run a real estate firm in Texas. In my view both are good markets experiencing strong population growth and job growth, Detroit continues to go backwards

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    Hi Paul

    It all comes down to research, the problem when you are only dealing in your own back garden is you are tied into that market whether it be good bad or indifferent. As an investor  you are not tied to any city or location because you are not going to live in the Property.  <moderator: delete advertising>

    Now I have been doing this for a long time so it would take me less time than you, however it depends on how seriously you want to do this and what sort of time you have. Now I know a lot of people are time poor however if you are going to invest you need to spend your money where you are going to get your best return and yes you do need to do some due diligence because it is your money that you are spending.

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    Yes its good to see you are in one piece

    I bet when the power goes out you really appreciate the value of air conditioning. I am glad the Brisbane escaped the worst of it. Good to have you back

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    Its going to be a long year

    May Labor be gone and lets return to the sanity of a conservative government

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    They probably need the money, The Cairns economy has been in trouble for some time. The best proof of this is that marketing companies can earn as much as $50,000 for putting someone into a house and land package in Cairns compared to around $30,000 for a house a land package in a major city. Now developers only pay large commissions if they cannot sell the product.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElUYgXsvsy8

    My 13 year old daughter singing Say You Say Me

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    Detroit is a third rate market. If it has gone up its due to investors being silly enough to invest there. I believe that the major car manufactures will slowly pull out of Detroit. For example in the last few years Toyota pulled its truck manufacturing business our of Detroit and Californian and relocated them to San Antonio Texas.

    Much of the down town area of Detroit has been abandoned for around 30 years. Do a search on abandoned housing and buildings like a hotel still with decaying furniture. or the central railway station now long abandoned. This is a dying city do not be convinced to invest there it will be a decision that you will regret.

    Now even if I am wrong, why take the risk when there are far safer markets to invest in, such as Texas or Florida. There are maybe another 40 states ahead of Detroit. The real numbers are the market is 30% less than it was in 2000. The big mistake is investors believing that this market will improve.

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    We will have the Property Know How Club which will give people the opportunity to learn how to invest safely.

    However what is really important here is if you are going to a seminar what is the purpose in most cases it is to sell you a service and I don't have a problem with that if it represents value for money. However in most cases it is not. So make sure that if you go to a seminar keep your hands in your pocket, most of these groups sell because people are prepared to buy without doing any due diligence.

    If any course promises to turn you into a property developer or options trader in 5 minutes for just a fee I suggest you run. Many of these groups target people who do not have money.

    However there is always some good information it is just important that you do not get caught up in the hype.

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    Hi Joshua

    I would generally agree with most of your comments and know that there are a few people on this site who do run good businesses in the United States and there are many other who are just wholesalers and not even based in the cities that they are buying in.

    Then in Australia there are people selling property who have never been to the states let alone met the suppliers thy are dealing with.

    Although I can see the benefit of section 8 tenants I have also experienced the downside if you get a bad one. Often this comes down to where you are buying. If you are dealing in States like Texas and Florida both states tend to favor landlords where in states like New York and California they tend to be pro tenant. Clearly as an investor you would prefer pro Landlord.

    I agree with Property Management. We own our own property management firm that has been going for over 20 years. If the company is unsure about management don't deal with them

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    Andy

    They could also sell the property for less than you paid and make you pay the difference and costs. Now I would approach the developer and explain what has happened and they may give you more time. From personal experience I think that when a problem like this happens the best thing to do is communicate because in most cases the developer wants to settle.

    However you clearly are in breach of contract it cannot hurt to talk with them. Make sure you do this through your lawyer.

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    Hi Sonic

    Finance is available at good rates in the 5s % in Florida for residential property and across America for commercial property which will include small apartment complexes. On commercial we can achieve at least 60% funding with higher amounts on more expensive property. This is a growing sign that things are getting better.

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    Personally I would wait to you have the funds even when banks approve loans if there are delays they can ask for current bank statements so if it is just a few weeks I would wait. Once you  have the money it will only be an issue if you cannot repay it.

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    Look at lot of people here talk about positive cash flow however the only way to do that is buy in a mining area, develop property or renovate to improve the value of the property

    However the only way to create wealth in real estate is to look at capital growth. The better the capital growth the more your wealth will increase. So you can look at different strategies to achieve that however the only way to build real wealth is to achieve the best capital growth you can.

    If you buy a whole lot of property that is cash flow neutral or even a little positive but there is little or no capital growth my question is what is the point.

    Now I develop property and that allows allows us to keep property at a wholesale price but we target areas with strong growth

    I also deal in the United States where it is still possible to buy apartment complexes where you can borrow between 60-90% through a commercial bank where you cash on cash returns can be 14% net or higher

    So look carefully and think through your strategy before you decide to move ahead.

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    Firstly you intend to live in the property, it seems well located and a reasonable price for the area. So if it is your intention to live in the property and the price is right and its in a block of only 8 and spacious.

    Can it be improved at all?  Or is it renovated?

    Certainly if I was starting again I would rent and buy an investment property. I accept some of the comments about negative gearing , however you or your mother are using the first home buyers grant therefore negative gearing will not count anyway at least for the first 12 months.

    Your other option is to buy a property where you could add value, however I would need to know what has been done to the property that you are buying.

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    To me it is important that it is not a matter of buying a cheap apartment or an expensive house it comes down to what you can afford.

    What you need to do is buy a property that is going to provide you with the highest level of capital growth. That is the only thing that will create wealth. If you buy cheap apartments the question is how can you improve them, can you add a kitchen?, increase a space ect. Over the years I have brought a number of older style apartments in Elwood. I generally put in new Kitchens and bathrooms polished the boards, new paint through. 

    Now I would do this if I was going to re sell them or keep for investment. Because you want to attract the right tenant or first home buyer.

    Naturally a house could be even better however generally the cost of a house in a good area will be expensive. Also with renovating the profit is in the buying. If you buy well you make money if you pay to much you wont. Again this depends on whether you intend to just on sell or keep as a long term investment

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