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    I try and show clients real examples. What I find exciting is that even though prices are higher than they were 2 years ago the big difference today is that on commercial property which includes apartment complexes we can borrow 60% as non-recourse loan. That means that the loan is only based on the asset. I am talking about loans from  commercial banks at rates around 5%. So from my point of view this is very attractive especially when you look at the cash on cash returns.

    We recently brought an office building with fantastic returns and by the time it is fully let the net returns will be around 17% with a cash on cash of around 35%. Now I am not saying that all deals are this good. But if you can buy an apartment complex for $350,000 with a cash on cash return of 14% it a great deal compared to anything you can buy in Australia.

    My clients are generally already experienced investors and in most cases have purchased in America before. They are generally looking for good opportunities with both cash flow and growth. I generally will not deal with someone who is buying in America because they cannot afford Australia. I explain that if you are going to invest in America then you need to build a separate income stream.

    I think there are great opportunities in the United States however due diligence is everything and the quality of people you deal with on the ground will make all the difference. 

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    Hi Jay

    I am still;l getting plenty of enquiry however many investors were only buying cheap property. Perhaps some of those buyers have gone. However I am getting lots of buyers who want to buy commercial property and apartment complexes. The reason is that  we can fund properties at 60% so you can now get strong leverage. In my view America is better to buy in now than it was before. When you consider increased growth and strong cash flow America is a great place to invest.

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    You are good Freckle  lol

    However if in America you can buy properties with strong rental demand and you have positive cash flow what is the risk

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    I do agree with you about Australia I am increasingly worried about the Australian economy. However I still believe there is more upside in the US markets.

    In Australia I have been trying to put development projects together by getting investors to buy directly into them. What I am finding is that many of these sites sell for well above what they are worth. With the lower end of the market is still needs to be affordable. So it will be interesting to watch. If at the end of the year or early next year the RBA run up rates by around 2% we could have large falls especially around city apartments and outer area houses

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    Well personally since I can borrow 60% of the value as a non-recourse loan I would buy an apartment complex in the United States for around $700,000 and be getting both growth and positive cash flow from day one.

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    Its alright freckle I expected your comments I notice in another post you are predicting that China will disappear off the face of the earth as well. If any of the Doomsday predictions of your happen I guess we are all screwed. 

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    I believe that it is a great time to buy in the United States. The economy is recovering and there is no doubt that both prices and rental demand are on the rise.

    If we look at commercial property and that can include apartment complexes you can fund the property with 40% down and borrow 60% as non-recourse finance. hat means that the loan is only based on the asset. At the end of the day the banks consider that this is a low risk. You are putting up a 40% deposit in a rising market. From an investors point of view you could buy a property in America tat you could not buy in Australia because from day one these deals are positive cash flow. We recently brought an office building that will return 35% cash on cash. The net return on many apartment buildings will return anywhere from 12-17% and the cash on cash returns to be far higher. I believe America will be a great market to invest in over the next few years. At one point it may have been a little cheaper but the ability to leverage is a game changer.

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    I made a decision that the only way I would deal in the United States was that I owned half the company which I do

    We also own a property Management company. From my point of view it means we can offer the service to a standard that I am happy with. Frankly unless you intend to spend a lot of time on the ground you are playing Russian Roulette. You need to understand the market and who you deal with will make all the difference as to whether your investment will be successful 

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    I would certainly look closely at Jamies comments. I do not have a problem with apartments especially in Brisbane. However there are few CBD markets that have performed well as investments. You to buy an apartment that would appeal to an owner occupier because they will in most cases have a solid capital growth. But stay away from small apartments and overall stay clear of the CBD there are plenty of inner city suburbs that will be a much better investment.

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    A lot of it comes down to what sort of income you have and what you can afford to buy. Frankly in Australia if the property is positive in many cases the growth will be low. If you are going to buy a property which is negatively geared then you have to make sure that the capital growth is strong enough to cover your losses.

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    Any company that promotes city properties in the city Docklands  area should be very careful. There is a huge over supply of these sorts of properties with as many as 4000 coming out of the ground. Many are small apartments which will almost certainly go backwards in value over the next few years.

    The reason so many of these groups are promoting these third rate investments is because in many cases they are getting as much as 8% commission. There are plenty of much better investments in Melbourne and else wear.

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    Even if you could get finance for such an investment you are wasting your money

    There will be a glut of third rate investments in Melbourne that will see the prices sliding backwards they are third rate dont touch them.

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    Well there are still much investments around than car parks

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    As I mentioned it is important that you are working o the ground with someone you trust

    If you do not do this then you are flying blind

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    That is certainly a big problem in Australia as most quotes are gross returns. Only net returns matter

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    I agree with everyone else they are a terrible investment

    Also in many cases they will be deemed as a commercial property so you will have to put more cash down.

    Also keep in mind that rates are at record lows however they will go up again in the next 12 months. Almost no capital growth, there are really no great reasons to buy these types of properties

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    If my view if you are targeting $30,000 houses you will not get much. I tend to focus on Florida which is a good market but generally to get anything worth while you need to look into the $50,000 to $70,000 range. Because we get them from the bank they are under retail price.

    However Australia is full of US investors who have lost money. Most of them just do not know it yet.

    The secret behind investing well in the states will be determined by who you are dealing with on the ground. American have a can do attitude however may of them talk big but do not deliver. The people on this post are experienced as am I . You would do well to get someone you trust on the ground and then take there advice. Do it on your own and do it at your own peril. 

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    Most of these people promote courses were they make what they do sound easy. However without any real estate training or knowledge most people will not succeed and often drop out after doing the original course. Then if they do show interest they are sold into a much more expensive course. Does it mean that the information is bad, no it does not however for most people it is a waste of money because most people do not have the time or knowledge to make a success of it. Most successful people do not have the time.

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    I tend to agree with Jamie

    It is important to remember that interest rates are at record lows but will they remain at that point. Unlikely. So you buy a property in a poor area with little or no growth at 6% but then in a year or so rates go back to 7% guess what it is no longer positive anyway and you are stuck with a second rate investment.

    Look at better areas I think Brisbane is good value at present and buy the best you can with your money

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    You cannot leverage with car parks and they do not tend to have high growth if any

    There are much better investments around

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