Thanks for the responses. Jamie, we’re just looking at our options at the moment. Main reasons being:
– Recent bank valuation came in WAY under market value.. I understand the valuation will be conservative but this valuation was way off.
– We want to see if we can get a better deal than what we have now through St George.
Jamie, I’ll get in touch with you over the next few days.
The loans are crossed. I’ll have to check to see whether the loan is portable or not. We’re looking at spending no more than $450k on the new PPOR and will need to borrow additional funds. I spoke to a broker a few months ago and he was going to speak to the bank to see if we could retain the $100k or so at the existing rate… might have to give him a call. Thanks again.
The amount owing on the PPOR is $109k, the remainder of our loans to the bank are the mortgage for the IP and a personal loan (taken out to do renovations on the properties). Our main goal at the moment is to move into a larger home while keeping the current IP (it's prime marina-front real estate which is 1 street from the beach in Glenelg North in South Australia). The reason we want to move into a larger home is more of a lifestyle choice, not really investment driven. We like to entertain, have dinner parties, barbeques etc, but our current property is too small for that. We also have regular guests visiting from interstate so the extra space would come in really handy. Another reason is that we are planning to get married soon and have children very soon after.
I have considered renting and getting a nicer property, but the rental market in Sydney at the moment is crazy. To rent a similar property, we'd be looking at a bare minimum of $500/week which I would rather go to a mortgage. I'm not a finance person though so I don't know which option would work out better for us. The investor loan you mentioned sounds interesting, I'll have to research that a bit!!
We don't have a deposit saved (we have an offset account tied to the loan for the PPOR but the savings aren't much). I guess we're after creative ways of financing so we don't have to expose our current properties to more risk. We also have the option of using equity from one of my parents' properties if need be.
The new property we would like to get will hopefully be an actual home with land and not a unit or apartment. This way once there is some equity in it we can look at extending it or knocking it down and rebuilding.
I live in Sydney and have an IP in Adelaide. The things which made this easier for me are:
– I know the area well; I grew up in Adelaide. – I have family there in case I need their help (haven't had the need so far in 3 years!). – MOST IMPORTANTLY: I have a VERY good property manager looking after my property.
It will be a bit harder for you if you do come across problems.. if there was a problem with my property/tenants I could just fly to Adelaide. It'd be a bit more difficult for you if you're going to be living in London
Because of your lack of planning and experiance the plumber and electrician would not have made a cent out of your job. As a dumb renorvator hope you have made your money.
Before you insult someone’s intelligence you should at least learn to spell.
And before you hop on your high horse next time, read the thread. I consulted with them before having the work carried out and noone thought the tiling was an issue. Please go back into whatever cave you crawled out of.
Sorry for the late update. Good news is the electrician came through and paid for the damages. The kitchen renos were finished a while back, and we’re happy with the results [strum]
I lived in Adelaide for 23 years before moving to Sydney almost 3 years ago. Beautiful place! I own a property down in the Holdfast Shores precinct. Would definitely be keen to speak to others investing in Adelaide
Hi everyone,
Well.. what a long day today has been. This is what has happened since the plumber accidentally struck the electrical wiring:
– In the morning, he called his sparky to come out and fix the job (out of his own pocket). Sparky couldn’t make it til about 1pm.. ended up coming at 3pm to have a look, left, came back at 5pm to do the repair.. left about 30 mins ago Very nice and understanding bloke..
– Plumber finished up at around 4pm..
– The extra nice and friendly plumber offered to render the walls tomorrow.. he even went out and bought cement to do the work.
– The EXTREMELY nice plumber even loaned me his jack hammer to remove all of the damaged tiles.
– The nice electrician who came to fix the plumber’s mishap kindly offered us his skip which he has in front of his house at the moment for us to dump our BRAND NEW broken tiles into!
So even though we’ve had some major headaches, the two tradespeople who helped us out today have made things so much better. There are some really nice tradespeople out there (please note my rant was just about the dodgey electrician :p).
My girlfriend and I have decided that even though we’re extra tight on cash now due to the extra expenses.. we’ll be paying the electrician bill for the plumber. Accidents happen, and these guys have helped us out so much today we can’t thank them enough!
Cheers everyone, I’ll be sure to post photos once everything’s done
I would like to know if the job was actually completed ?
Stop all this bickering and DEAL with the problem, find a SOLUTION and get on with your life.
In my experience, and I have built a few houses in my time, tradesmen always make a mess. Just deal with it and move on to happier times.
Five years down the track, I am still finding rubbish in the garden, buried in the soil that builders, tradesmen have left.
From a sensible MUM.
Hi Pen,
The electrician left things as shown in the photo. I’ve called the electrician and explained the situation to him. He asked me how much it’d cost to repair it all and told me that he’d look after it. I have a feeling he won’t come on Saturday though but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Sorry to hear about your garden..
Originally posted by Dazzling:
Hiya NEWGEN,
Well…I suppose you haven’t found the support you were initially hoping for.
Sitting on the sidelines reading all of the above it is clear to me the root cause of your troubles is the laying of the new tiles (a finishing trade) before any of the primary work has been completed.
With the actual kitchen being installed on Sunday I hope you are now prepared to protect the tiles with a foam or cardboard covering. How will the cupboards go abutting against the tiling, or is the tiling across the entire floor ??
When the tiler came in and laid the new tiles, did he or she mention anything about job order after you told him / her your plans for the room, and what the full workscope was going to be ??
In your defence, I’ve found many tradesmen to be very arrogant, especially in this climate where everyone is encouraging their children to go to Uni and get a degree…and hence there is a short supply.
This attitude of “I’m my own boss, I don’t answer to nobody, nobody tells me what to do” has certainly become more prevalent with all of the reno’s and building craze over the past couple of years. Ask any tradesman and when you get to the heart of the matter that’s what they really value…being their own boss and answering to no-one. A bit like the farmer attitude.
NEWGEN, count your lucky stars, I have it far worse than you. My father-in-law does most of our electrical work (paid of course…no freebies here…I keep asking him if he wants an oil well drilled in his backyard, but unfortunately there’s not a big demand for those here in Oz, so I don’t really have much to swap…
He’s a sparky and a farmer and a relly, a triple whammy combo headed for disaster when I’m not happy with the work standard. He’s half way thru re-wiring our PPoR at the moment and has wires hanging out and switching dangling out of the wall by live threads. He left 2 weeks ago to go back to the farm and doesn’t know when he’ll be back. If I say anything it’s on for young and old in WWIII.
I wish I had your problem. [blush2]
Hi Dazzling,
I guess we’ve learned an expensive lesson. I’ve just ordered replacement tiles and contacted our tiler who is giving us a small discount to retile the kitchen again. The tiling covers the whole floor. I’ve rescheduled the kitchen delivery and install for the weekend after next which is my girlfriend’s birthday ïŠ
When the tiler, electrician and plumber came to give quotes I explained to them all exactly what was happening and when. No-one raised the issue of the tile laying before the electrical and plumbing work at the time.
To make things worse the plumber came out this morning (he’s still here) and accidentally jack-hammered into some wiring which cut out all of the power except for the lights. He’s getting his sparky in to fix the wiring but he won’t be out til later on this afternoon. He’s temporarily patched the power back in so he can work for now. So a 2 hour morning job has turned into a whole day job and I’ve had to take another day off from work. (Not really the plumber’s fault though, and I do feel sorry for him as he’s paying for the electrician out of his own pocket).
I wasn’t after sympathy by posting this, just some advice and/or constructive criticism, neither of which Crashy gave.
I apologise to everyone else if I sounded rude in my post to Crashy but I stand by my comments. I’m already annoyed enough as it is without having ANOTHER DODGEY ELECTRICIAN joining the party.
Thanks to everyone else who provided some helpful advice/comments. I extremely appreciate it.
Of course it was. Would you pay for something without knowing the price?
Originally posted by crashy:
‘dodgey’ should be reserved for tradesmen who do illegal or dangerous work. making a mess is what tradesmen do.
So you don’t think ruining a new tiling job isn’t dodgey? If you think making a mess is what tradesmen are paid to do then I hope you never do any work for any of the members on here… or for anyone actually.
Originally posted by crashy:
I suspect your lack of experience is partly the problem. Who in their right mind gets tiling done BEFORE roughing in the electrics or plumbing? Did you explain that the tiling was new before he started? He probably assumed it was old and wasnt worried about damaging it..
Sorry Mr Experienced, but how many normal everyday people out there do you know that are experts in getting kitchens renovated? For your information, he came and gave me the quote for the work BEFORE the tiles were laid. And you’d have to be an idiot not to be able to tell the difference between newly laid+grouted tiles and old ones. And evem if the tiles were old it doesn’t give him a green light to go and create a mess on them.
Originally posted by crashy:
Sorry to seem unsupportive, but being a sparky myself, I would take you to court.
Sorry to seem rude and pointing out the obvious, but you’re an idiot. You’re saying YOU would take ME to court? On what grounds?
Originally posted by crashy:
Its all too easy to blame the tradesmen. Dodgey developers should penalised just the same if they are incompetant (not saying you are).
Well who else is to blame in this instance? Ever heard of plastic drop sheets? Did you even look at the photos?
The least you could’ve said was that what he did was wrong and that it was unfortunate. Instead you came in here being all high and mighty saying I should’ve known better.. Well sorry! My girlfriend and I are only in our 20’s and we don’t know better yet. That’s why we got ‘professional qualified tradesmen’ to come and see what needed to be done, provide us with a quote and perform the job.
But that’s all a bit much to ask from a tradesman from your point of view isn’t it?
My girlfriend and I have been so upset about this.. I guess something was bound to go wrong. We’ve done some researching online and found some useful info here:
It might help others who are in the same situation. I’d already told the electrician I wouldn’t pay him until I found out what the damage was.. from the looks of things I’ll need to replace at least 8 tiles (the ones up against the wall will be covered by the kitchen cabinets. It doesn’t look like he’ll be getting any money from me, probably the other way around. [crying]
I’ve heard of circumstances where the Govt. has allowed a person who has used the FHOG to keep it after geniunely not being able to fulfil the requirements.. I think one of the examples was someone who was planning on moving into their new home but ended up having to stay home to look after their mother who had been in a serious accident and needed special care. Best to check.
Hi there If you’re seriously looking at managing your own properties privately, I’d suggest getting the May 2005 back issue of Australian Property Investor. There’s a 5 page article about managing your own properties in that issue which you might find useful.
His wife filing for divorce was the last straw.. poor guy He had it all, but ended up lonely and depressed. I can’t imagine what goes through someone’s mind when they decide to take their own life… and then to go ahead and carry it out R.I.P.
Having lived in Uk for a bit, I would definitely recommend carpet in the bedroom. I certainly wouldn’t want cold floorboards during winter!
Agreed.. it can get very cold and you’d definitely want carpet to keep your tenants warm and so they can save on heating bills. I’d go hard flooring for all the living areas and carpet for the bedrooms.. the traffic in bedrooms is usually pretty low in most cases so you won’t have to worry too much about the carpets getting worn or dirtied.