We are also in Adelaide and I can guess which areas you are speaking of. Are you sure that they don't have much in the way of CG? I looked in the back of some investment magazines and found some great CG figures, which surprised me. I am not expecting much CG there in the next couple of years though.
Also, Have you considered becoming familiar with those areas? We are currently researching the northern suburbs. By attending opens, speaking to agents, popping into shops, driving and observing, and we are slowly beginning to recognise the nicer areas within the district.
I can understand your hesitation to invest in these areas, it's taken us a while to get out head around it also. We've put in a few offers on the low side recently and got knocked back. We'll keep on trying.
The areas I originally wanted to buy in didn't meet the 1% rule either. I had to go looking in other areas that were cheaper but the rental still meets the costs. Still looking for our first IP, so by no means an expert at all.
A couple that we have seriously done DD on that were advertised on RE.com or similar, I rang independent property managers from other companies to see what rental i could get for it. This killed 2 birds with 1 stone because we will be needing a PM anyway. Some already had tennants and the agent could tell me what they were paying when contacted about property.
I think if a property does meet the 1% rule, we then need to look into all other costs and do our sums of income vs expenses from there while completing DD… I hear what you are saying tho Mattsta.
We had decided to set up the company also as the experts in the field that we researched had recommended it. I am glad we did now, especially after your comments. He was happy to set up the company as well as a trust, he just didn't think we needed it. I went to the appointment armed with Steve McKnight's book and my notes from Boholt's video podcasts on the subject ready to debate it out.
Very glad we have a good surveyor contact as he has looked into potential for subdivision. We are not going to make a killing on that deal, and hence we are leaving that one alone.
I believe you are correct about the banks and a couple of you have now said the same about the banks not budging. We will find the right place sometime, just to keep looking for now.
We really appreciate all the suggestions on this post! What a great resource for beginners! Thanks all!
I have been reading Steve's book and looking at that too. I am thinking that it covers the basics with insurance and rates. You can never know for sure all expenses because if a hot water system needs replacing or major works are required unexpectedly, then I guess it can throw calculations out.
I am just using the 1% rule to rule out the majority of housing on the market. Once I find one that passes, I try get information then on rental income it can achieve, rates etc. From that I then do as thorough inspection of the house with the Property inspection template on this site.
That is what i have been doing so far, but i'd be interested to see what experienced investors on this site have to say.
Thank you all for your advice. We have heard back from the surveyor and it doesn't look like it would be an easy subdivision unless you knock the old house down and have 2 long blocks side by side. Once you've done that tho, there wouldn't be much profit in it….especially if you didn't get asking price. So we are holding off on that one, even tho it can be CF+ if bought at the right price.
It has been a great experience though. we are getting our act together so that next time we can jump on it. Our Company and Trust are being set up as we speak and we are organising our finances too. We now know more of what to look for when looking at properties, and have made some excellent contacts. We have our names in with some real estate agents to hear about properties as soon as they go on the market.
It's funny how making just a few phone enquiries can turn into real tangible progress. We will continue to look and learn until we find the right place to pounce on!
We must confess to being unprepared. We hadn't sorted out our LOC and didn't have building inspection etc done. We only spotted it on the weekend. We also didn't have our trust/company in place.
I have been reading books and listening to information and we really have just been trying to familiarise ourselves with the area and didn't think we would act so fast. This place seemed like a good idea as the numbers added up and so we decided to rock up to the auction for experience if nothing else.
The agent has called. It is back on the market at $190 000 (Catalyst, you are correct) and he said he would put all offers forward. In the meantime, we are arranging the trust with our accountant in the morning. We have a surveyor looking into feasability of subdivision and have heard back from 2 agents confirming rent at 250 – 260pw. They also both advised not to bother with reno for now as it won't be tax deductable until it is already rented out. They also said it wouldn't yield much more in rent anyway.
We will act once we have heard back from the surveyor.
Wow! I really wish I could come. I've read a few posts you've added to and really keen to see what you have to say. Doing any other states in the near future? Do you have any books, articles etc?
Hi! I live in the Adelaide area also and think I am in a similar position to you, looking to buy my first IP. Trying to gather all the information I possibly can before leaping in. I am going to a free one day seminar by Mark Rolton on the 26th for some ideas. I believe he deals more with options, but i'm up for a bit of free information. I am cautiously optimistic, realising they will obviously be pushing a longer expensive course on the day. If you are going, pm me and maybe we can catch up there.
Cheers Catalyst! I live in SA and I am talking of the Northern Suburbs of Adelaide particularly. I have been targeting properties with potential for second residence. Of course, by the time I sus it out and chat with my hubbie about it… it's gone. It's all research and experience I guess.
Sounds like this strategy has worked for you. Seems like spending a little extra time on reno's would particularly pay off in these areas, like the sound of being fussy.
Sorry, my above post should have said that I was told that it is NOT possible to buy +CF property…. oops… That was what put me off for a while. Thanks Kristin for your suggestion.
Thank you Adambc. Really helpful post for the humble beginner.
Jarrah, I had trouble finding your 'Ask and you shall receive'. Sounds interesting though.
I am yet to invest in my first IP. I have thought about it for years and even to be a WEA course where one of the first things the "teacher" said, was that it is possible to buy a CF+ property now. That shut me up for a few years, yet now I feel compelled to make it work. I have been reading/listening to a handfull of 'guru's' for a month or so now and feel ready.
What I am doing now is finding places that I think could be CF+ and calculating how they might work and practicing DD and how I could possibly increase value. Practice makes perfect, right? I am finding that most of the ones that may work are in the lower socio ecinomical areas that are more 'undesirable. Now while I don't consider myself a real estate snob, I find they clash with one of the golden 3 rules I read on this site… Product saleability.
This family is single income with young tackers, PPR value about 400k with Mortgage of 180k. Not keen on getting too much cash out in equity and raising out repayments by a lot. I had assumed we'd need 20% cash deposit on property which I assume limits us to 200 – 250K first purchase. Was hoping to keep it simple as it is our first dabble in Real estate
What is your thoughts on buying a property in an 'undesirable area'. I wonder if issues with problematic tennants and crime rule these places out.