Low/No doc type loans were designed for self employed applicants, who through the assistance of a helpful accountant etc show a low taxable income, while in actuality they can afford to repay loan amounts which would require a higher taxable income.
Usually they ask for a declaration from the borrower as to their actual earnings (not their taxable income) and a maximum loan amount is obtained and then used from the declaired figures.
There are diferent types of low doc loans on the market requiring different amounts of documentation.(some also cater for ‘payg employee’ type applicants)
You will find that if you have been self employed for 2 years or more (holding an ANB as evidence) institutions will lend to a higher LVR than if you had a shorter trading history. LVR stands for loan to value ratio. ie how much as a percentage of the property you can borrow.
An easy example is someone who has been self employed for less than 2 years may have a maximum LVR of 65%. Where as if you have been self employed for more than 2 years you can borrow up to 80% of the value of the property.
There are quite a lot of different low doc loans out there on the market and they may prove a solution to your situation if your ‘declaired income’ can service the loan, and you have enough equity in another property you can use, or enough deposit available for the LVR on offer.
You also mentioned that you do not have a full time job. If you are part time or even casual you may still be able to qualify for a standard type loan product. Low doc loans are usually a higher interest rate that standard loans.
The reasons now seem silly but at the time sounded like they would have helped us pay our loan off quicker and at less per month.
The reason l asked about living in our home while making it an investment property is for tax reasons. Is an invertment loan cheaper per month, if so how or who do we see about changing, can l change to an investement loan now that we have been living in the house for 3 yrs,or should we go and rent for awhile and put someone in our house to rent it, at the monent it would be cheaper for rent than a morgage.
Bev
Hi Bev,
If your current loan is an expensive one, or it is not suited to your needs, then it may be worthwhile changing. Otherwise (as you know it can be an expensive process and you end up in the same position).
Paying a loan off more quickly requires payments above your minimum monthly / weekly/ fortnightly payment. So it is unlikely that by refinancing you will be able to pay your loan off more quickly unless the new loan has a cheaper interest rate/ or has features that you don’t currently have in your loan (like allowing extra repayments). AND YOU USE THOSE FEATURES EFFECTIVELY!
An investment loan is usually just as expensive (if not more expensive) than a home loan. You may be thinking of an interest only loan (where you are only required to pay the interest that is calculated on your loan amount) but if you chose one of those loans you are not paying the principal off and hence not decreasing your loan.
For example, if you were to change your current loan to interest only and you had $100,000 still owing then you would only be paying the interest being charged on that $100,000. A year or two down the track if you are still on the interest only facility, then you would still owe $100,000.
In terms of tax benefits, if you decided to rent your property out (making it an investment property) you may receive tax benefits. (Better to ask an accountant than someone like me).
Before making that sort of move though, you may want to find out how much your current property would rent for. Have a chat to a few local real estate agents.
Will the rent cover the mortgage payments and costs involved with the house? eg rates and insurance etc?
Will you need to make up the shortfall between mortgage repayments and rental income as well as a new rental commitment?
Lastly, if you think you would like to fine tune your budgeting process, you may want to have a look at a book AD recommended ‘The Richest Man in Babalon’ – its an easy enjoyable read with some very hand tools on how to manage and reduce debt. Its a handy resouce tool in my library!
The response was a little long winded, and I made an assumption or two about what information you needed, but if I haven’t awnsered your question properly let me know, and I will start the ‘novel’ again.
hi guys.
I think you can use the equity in the first houses you wrapped eg: if you depositted 5% for your first 4 wraps and they were all approximately the same price then you have 20% equity that you can use to buy your next property.
Hi Stonewall,
Sorry, you can’t use the equity that you have in other wrapped properties for deposit + costs on a new acquisition. On another note if you only have 5% equity in an investment property you can’t borrow more against it as 95% is the cut off for investment lending (although there are talks of a 97% investment product comming out for strong applicants).
Is it common that the vendor and purchaser have the same solicitor acting on a purchase?
Hi Arnaldo,
It is not common (as not many people tend to choose the same solicitor), but it happens from time to time. It can be an advantage if there is a change in arrangements (eg settlement date) as communication is quick and easy.
My husband are trying to buy our own home, we have been in it for 3 yrs now, l have made three bad loan changes if we had stayed with the first loan we would have a lot of euqity in this house but with three mistakes and the fee’s that go with them we have none.
So my question is HELP. Is there any way we can make our house an investment propety and still live in it.
Bev
Hi Bev,
What were you trying to achieve with the loan changes? Where they refiances or cahanges within the same institution? Do you need to change loans now? If so why.
On the second point, what are you trying to achieve by making your property an investment property while still living in it?
If you can clarify your reasoning, I might be able to throw you a few ideas.
I want to become financially independant in 12mths, and would like to know from you gurus out there that have achieved this, as to your frequency of buying (wrapping) houses? IE what is and isn’t realistic?
Hi Hurricane,
I am not a guru or financially independant, but I am on my way.
I think that you are the best person to answer your own question. How much income do you want annually to retire on?
How many properties does that equate to?
Do you have the resources at hand to buy that many properties?
If not how will you overcome this problem?
Do you have the correct advice legal/financial that you need?
I am a believer that nothing is impossibe, and that your own success is a function of the amount of educated effort you apply towards your goals.
All the tools, and methods that you need are near by. Use them!
I believe in Harts case what occured is that the whole of their interest, from both their PPOR and their investment property, was claimed as tax deductable interest whilst all incoming funds were directed at the mortgage on the PPOR. Therefore, the interest which was claimable grew and grew.
Hi Kirby,
My understanding of the case is that the interest on the investment portion was claimed as a tax deduction. It differed from normal split loans because interest was alowed to build up or capitalise on the second account (investment) of the loan.
The ATO objected to the capitised interest being claimed as a tax deduction.
The loan setup was effective because it allowed all repayments to be directed into account 1 (PPOR) hence paying it off quickly, while debt increased in account 2 as no repayments were directed to that side of the loan and interest could build upon itself. This, it is claimed, also increased the tax benefits.
I have been reading the posts and agree with all of them! On the building side of the coin, a few months ago I was talking to somone who was caught out. He purchased a brick 3 br unit without a building inspection and a few months later found that the building had underpinning issues which the body corp could not pay for. After all was said and done it cost just over 26K to rectify the problem!!![][!]
You did a good job of the explaination. The Hart’s were using a type of loan that was marketed heavily in the mid to late 90s due to the perceived tax benefits. That was until the ATO disallowed interest deductions as you mentioned Leigh.
I believe the Harts had a principal place of residence and an investment property. The type of loan they sourced was a split loan (ie an account for each property). Under the loan setup they were able to direct all payments to their PPOR (the non-tax deductable part of the loan) and let interest capitalise on the investment property portion of the loan giving good tax benefits.
It is the deductability of the capitalised interest that the ATO disallowed. In the most recent installment of this case Hart has won the right to appeal by the Full Federal Court 3 Judges to 0 (thereby allowing the deductability of the interest also). Since this time these types of loans have come back into circulation.
The case has gone to the high court (yet to be heard). I have talked to a financial adviser who is recomending these loans to his clients.
Has anyone had experience with these loans or been recommended them?
Hi I will have a stab at this, but you would need to talk to an accountant etc about taxation effects etc.
Starting on no 2 first. I believe that the articles that you read that suggest to put all IPs in the highest income earners name assume that the IPs are negatively geared. Important distinction if you are considering positively geared properties at any time.
Now number 1. Yes you can ‘move equity’ from one property to another by (most commonly):
1) Refinancing your current loan to a higher amount.
2) Getting a top up on your existing loan.
Both of these methods give you access to money for deposit + costs on the new purchase.
The taxation effect of this (deductablility of loan interest)is where you will need to seek advice from someone more wise in these areas.
I believe that you can obtain a tax deduction of up to the origional size of the loan. EG if your current 110K loan was origionally 150K, then if you decided to increase your mortgage to 250K for example you would only get tax benefits on 150K.
Also watch out for mortgage insurance if you are considering increasing your mortgage above 80% of the property’s value.
If someone is better versed on tax deductability of loans in this circumstance please correct me if needed.
You are right, it is a very hard question to answer without delving deeper into your situation and your goals.
In general though, if you have a principal place of residence and want to pay the loan down quickly, then you would need a flexible type loan. If you were hoping to reduce the debt on your investment property in the same manner then the same sort of loan product would be suitable.
If you are more concerned about reducing other debt you hold (eg owner occupied home loan) and the loan you have/ or are considering is an investment loan, then you may want a more basic loan (at a cheaper interest rate) which would allow interest only payments.
I must stress that it is very hard to answer your question without knowing your current position and future goals, but in general what I have said should hold true. ie only pay a premium on the interest rate for features you will use.
Cheers,
Nathan.
P.S If you want a more specific answer fill me in on a few more details / goals.
Which bank did your valuation? I ask this because some institutions do full valuations, some institutions do restricted access valuations, others do residex and some have been known to take contract price as long as the purchase is arms lenght.
Lastly did you deal with the bank direct or through a broker etc? I ask because you may be able to request a copy of the valuation report (asuming it was drawn up).
Also have you investigated finance for the factory? You may find that the rates are not as compeditive as home loans, and that the required deposit is 25% ore more!
Is the factory currently leased? What is the durantion of the lease? Are there options to extend the lease? Are rent reviews built into the lease? If so are they at market or CPI or both?
Is the factory purpose built for the existing tennant?
What are vacancy rates like for your type of commercial property?