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    The fact it is on Today Tonight means is will be a complete fabrication anyway.

    As for you commnets about the people with no money being the high net worth individuals of the future…I take your point …..but try going into a BMW dealership and saying I have no money today but I might have some in the future so you should give me a new 5 series to drive around in for 2 years ……see what their reaction is.

    Don’t forget banks are a business with sharholders not a charity sponsored by a church or the govt.

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    People forget that Bank coustomer service levels are actually very high. Look at banking 20 years back and look at what we have now:

    You can use an ATM 24/7
    eftpos
    online banking
    24 hour approval on home loans
    margin lending on shares
    low mortgage margins
    higher mortgage gearing (100% LTV)
    redraw
    LOC
    offset
    the list is endless

    IMHO opinion customer service levels are only low for those
    who prople don’t have any money…..ie the customers the banks don’t want or need.

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    So this article is about banks doing what they are leagally allowed to do and if they were smarter would do a lot more quickly than they currently do.

    If you are in default (typically you have not made a payment for at least 90 days, more like 180 days) what more can you expect.

    Keep in mind if they are PPOR houses you have many avenues to show hardship or ask for compassonite treatement via UCCC rules so I can’t see how somebody can get to a default stage without being an absolute basket case.

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    I agree …the banks will assign little or no value to the business and typically lend only agianst any property you have or that comes with the business.

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    Self insurance really only works for bigger companies because they might hav eafleet of 1000 cars and that goves them a porfolio of spread risk. For a person with 1or 2 cars 1 or 2 houses etc it doesn’t work as well.

    Health insurance: if you look at the claims charts you will see that people in their 20 and 30 pay more than they claim except for when they have babies then as you get to 55 you start to claim far more than you pay….hence the incentive to get you to join young and stay on.

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    They use a term called ‘full economic break costs’ which roughly translates to :

    If I lend you $100,000 at 9% for 5 years and after 2 years you break the loan and I can only relend the money back out at 6% then you owe me the present value (PV) of 3% on $100,000 for 3 years.

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    A couple of points to note:

    the banks to not set the fixed rates according to what they “think” the rate will be in X years…they go off the money market rate for where they have to lock in funding for fixed rate loans and tehn add their margin. (the rates are published in the AFR everyday)

    As for a stock broker telling you that rates will be at 8.25%in 1 year…that is fine and he is welcome to have an opinion but it is a bit like a real estate agent telling you that a ford falcon will have a good resale vaule in 1 year.

    Note also that the stcok market guys only know what they are told…interest rate dealers trade interest rates and deal in them every day and they arer saying that rates will be lower than 8.25% next year…in fact the interbank market (where the lenders buy and sell fixed money) has interest rates at about 5.6-5.8% for the next 3 years !!!

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    Centerlink do them as well !!

    In the UK they are writing billions per year in RVM’s.

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    Many commercial loans include covenents where the lender can check the financil postion of the borrower every six months and if EBIT or EBITDA fall below a certain level then the loan can be called.

    Keep in mind many commercial loans only have a life of 3 or 5 years anyway.

    BTW I have doubled check with our in house lawyer and you cnanot call a home loan that is not in default.

    Has anybody else been able to get an opinion from a lawyer stating otherwise???

    anyone anyone!!

    don’t be shy!!!

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    How are you all going??? Is anyone able to offer any form of proof that a bank can call a loan??? Or are you just going to go around in circles and criticise me for having the hide to question a statement??

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    Maybe because nobody questions the stuff on there. ie they believe every thing that is posted is true just because it is on the net.

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    Where did the idea that most are funded offshore come from??

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    Hey commercial loans are a different kettle of fish to home laonsand I did point out that UCCC loans were not invetsment loans.

    I do note that nobody has been able to show a single piece of evidence that a bank can call a normal home loan just beacause the LVR moves teh wrong way.

    Bring it on clowns

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    Quote: “Nat, the bank will not forclose a loan as long as the person/persons keep up their repayments.?

    …From memory I think that is what I said upfront.

    If somebody defaults then the bank has every right to step in…that is a world away from the original incorrect suggestion that the bank can call up at tany time and force a sale.

    BTW I’m over 35, I’m not in a negative equity position, I bought all my houses at the darkest hour and have done well from them.

    I’m not a mortgage broker.

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    Items like this are a matter of fact not opinion.

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    Tim …where do i start?

    UCCC – uniform consumer credit code…no lender can move in a sell a property whilst the borrower is still fullfilling thier obligations to pay and is not in default or arrears.

    For non code loans ie investment loans…what bank in thier right mind is going to wake a sleeping dog i.e. take a performing loan and sell it up in a fire sale because the LVR has changed. They go from having an otherwise strong borrower servicing a loan to trying to force a sale. By the time they spend 3 years in court and 2 weeks on tabloid television the house would probably be worth more anyway.

    Some of the absolute BS on this forum is just too funny for words.

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    LTV = LVR
    LTV = Loan To Valuation ratio
    LVR = Loan to Valuation Ratio

    You guys are still way off teh mark on negative equity.

    Sure it is a bad thing but if prices are going down who cares how much equity you have in the deal !!

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    Quote: He told us that many loans written today, have a clause that allows the lender to trigger a mortgage sale if the equity/debt ratio shifts too much.

    …absolute fiction !!

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    Sorry to say it but your reply makes less sense than your original post.

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