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    Ring Westpac….they will be happy to talk to you about foreign currency loans given they have just finished the 18 year court case stemming from the last batch they did. 

    The exchange rate risk is huge and the 3% saving you make on your interest rate can look like peanuts compared to how much you can lose on a currency move. With the A$ at a 24 year high you would need to be brave to take unhedged currency risk on a home loan.

    And boomtown is correct …the cost to hedge will negate any saving you might make….in fact it will probably cost  you more at the moment.

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    RVP…thank you for your honesty and frankness about your situation.

    I agree there is nothing really wrong with multi level marketing (how does any wholesale/retail/consumer market work) but I hate clowns who come on forums pretending to be a happy customer of some seminar/broker/whatever when they are really a cog in the wheel who thinks they can groom more recruits by lying to them….nice way to do business.

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    Update…..keep in mind Geo was keen to point out this was not a pyramid scheme. It is in fact a multi level marketing scheme. :)

    Anyone got a Derivex update to throw in as well>???

    http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Delivered/ACN/ACN%20MLM.htm

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    Yes many many people were believers and quit their day jobs to jump on this flawed from the outset bandwagon (scam)

    Funny thing was I tried my heart out to expalain (using maths and logic) how this was not possible and all I got was BS replies like “they also said man would never walk on the moon”

    Glad to see these clowns go down…I wish ASIC would also pay a visit to the brokers who were promoting it and beat them over the head with a maths text book.

    Regards .. Nat R

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    Most of the banks securitise a whack of their loans as well…so the MI issue is not limited to non bank lenders.

    As for first mac…they seem to be easy to deal with from the point of view that they will approve just about anything.

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    Thought so:
    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18073906%255E25658,00.html

    I think you all give Westpac far too much credit for being smart…….don’t forget that they were mere days away from going broke in the late 80’s.

    As for their negotiation skills….don’t kid yourself…anyone smart left the big 4 bansk years ago to either join Macquarie / Allco or Babcock and Brown….other than a few excecptions the people left within the commercial banks are there because they can’t get a job elsewhere.

    You also have to look at the way in which they are paid…..there is no monetary incentive for them to really push hard on a deal, only the risk of being fired if it goes wrong…..net outcome “middle of the fairway” deals that will never set the world on fire.

    Where do my views come from???? ….18 years of dealing with these guys.

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    Originally posted by dohicky:

    Hi Guys,
    You can not purchase Westpac head office becuase they own it…

    IIRC your head office (Our Great Place) is in fact owned by a property trust and not by Westpac itself …and therefore people can buy it….or at least units in the trust.

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    This deal has been hawked around the investment banks and fund managers in one form or another for the best part of 15 years.

    I suprised Westpac put their hand up for it….I guess in all honesty they are using other people’s money :)

    Steve …when you say it’s Australia’s first REIT…do you really think its any different to a normal property trust??

    Also…Keep in mind REIT in the US do a lot more than just invest in property. A lot of the smaller/ medium size mortage originators in the US actaully operate as REITs to take advantage of the tax breaks they get.

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    Mr Gross….Ithanks for your reply….but i’m sorry i can’t really get your point…can you clarify please

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    Bryce ….my comments were directed at your post higher up, which you have to agree didn’t make a whole lot of sense, and not at your choice of profession.

    Everyone has a job to do but it irks me when know-nothings like the guys I described try to pull the wool over people’s eyes with throwaway lines.

    As for insulting bankers….I’m an Investment Banker with 18 years of insults thrown at me ….how do I fell about that???…when you earn as much as we do and live the life we do, we really don’t care what the unwashed masses think.

    When I’m flying first class to europe and staying in 6 star hotels, I don’t really put too much time into how other percieve me or what I do, nor do I feel that I have been touched by a lucky angel. I have worked hard and put up with a tonne of crap to get to where I am.

    What I do find amazing is that people who don’t know what they are talking about won’t take advice of somebody who has a better than decent knowledge on how some of these “behind the scenes” things work……yet they all bang on and on about how they are on a learning experience and are keen for knowledge.

    If you think knowledge is only worthwhile when it corresponds with your narrow view on life, then I really feel sorry for you.

    (Bryce these comments are not directed at you so why don’t you give it a break mate…BTW….I find that when the only insults people can throw at me are related to small typos on a forum they are usually well outside their comfort zone and reaching for straws in a debate)

    Natalie

    Not bad for my 400th post !!!!

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    Bryce…is your post intentionally meaningless or is there a deeper message in what is an otherwise pointless post??

    Stuart…no offence intended but even you must have been amazed and shocked as to how gullible the industry was on this point. I thought everybody in the finance industry had at least a rough understanding of the concepts of “present value” and “future value”

    If anything, I guess that is where I went wrong, by overestimating the knowledge of my audience my message missed its mark by a country mile.

    Some of the funniest arguments were from some dude who had no facts to back his views but tried to shut me up with the line “I’m a fully licensed finacial advisor, so I know these things”…….all he knows is where his commision cheques come from.

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    Mortageg Hunter….What really sh!ts me is that when this was going down and I was trying hard to warn people about it using maths and other “black magic” stuff that was beyond the comprehension of many of the forumites (you being one of them), I was shot down with bullsh1t comments like “people said man would never walk on the moon” and “there is only use for 4 computers in the world”.

    It is beyond belief and/or forgiveness that anyone who works in the industry could say anything positive about the product……the whole experience really opened my eyes to how uneducated, naive and gullible the mortage broking community actually is.

    I should be thankful…its not every day that I get such a good insight into the thinking of the man on the street.

    Regards
    Natalie

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    Whatever…all I know is that Derivex was a joke (an unfunny one at that) and way way too many people on here who claim they know what they are talking about took it hook line and sinker.

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    wonder why people have no faith in the regulators…read in particular the fact that ASIC is still in court with Westpoint arguing if they have the power to investigate the company !!!!

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/money/a-lender-be–and-still-sleep-easy/2006/02/24/1140670263179.html

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    Dazzling

    I have worked in big end of town banking / finance for 18 years and to be honest things just don’t work like that.

    I think you will find that AISC pushed that guy for more information and he flatly refused to give them anything or even respond with sensible answers (I doubt he had anything to give) and they did the right thing and shut him down.

    From what I can gather there was a view that the promoters didn’t realise that the concept didn’t work until enough outside people (who could work a HP financial calculator & and understood the concept of future and present value) showed them it was impossible.

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    The borrower may only see LMI being charged if the LVR exceeds 80% but there is a very good chance that Wizard buy LMI for all loans to help in the securitisation process , regardless of LVR

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    Originally posted by grossrealisation:

    hi Dannyboy
    steve has rung me and after our little chat I have open my little challenge to anyone.and lets see he has explained his position in this mentoring process and will see if the money spent is worth it or not by the responces of the mentorees

    here to help

    I have read some of your other posts recently and honestly, not a lot of what you say makes sense.

    Is there a point or plan to your thoughts or is it just white noise?

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    Originally posted by grossrealisation:

    Hi Nat R
    any thing to do with asic I stay well away from as they have they deepest pockets of any dept and it does make interesting reading put I sit on the fence on these types of hicups and as I post to another some time ago you must make sure what you post or email can not be taken the wrong way by a suit and these types of hicups will and do involve suits.
    It makes very interesting reading and will follow with interest

    here to help

    I have read your post 3 times and I’m not sure what you are trying to say…..but yes the Derivex site does make for interesting reading.

    Trivia: The mathematcian Fibinacchi developed the concept of “time value of money” in 1205 …you will agree nobody has proven him wrong yet :)

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