If I was in your position I would definitely be visiting a good solicitor to see exactly what my options are in regards to the contract you signed. It will take the guess work out of your decision. Others here may have viable options and opinions for you, but in my own opinion, spending some dollars could give you the answer with legal backing.
We had 3 IP's in Perth late 1980's and sold them in 1992 as they hadn't really shown any growth in the time we had owned them and we didn't realise the full value of what we had. You have to remember back in the late 1980's you did not have any books on the subject or internet to learn from, so it was mostly fumbling in the dark in regards to property investing for us.
In 1992, we moved to Canberra and sold all three as they were negatively geared and we were fed up of making up the shortfall each month, We didn't make much on them as Perth was a slow market back then. The properties were in Myaree (paid $30k), Belmont (paid $62k) and Bridgetown (south west – paid $80k – 2 acres & house).
We were back in Perth over this past New Years and worked out that the Belmont and Myaree properties alone are worth well over $1 million to $1.5 million combined plus the country property would have been worth a few bob as well.
Still you can only look back and make sure we don't make the same mistakes again by selling. We have recovered well and have just bought IP numbers, 8 & 9, … we've lost time and equity, but you have to shake of the disappointment and move forward.
I have just bougt another IP and as I generally buy interstate going into the agents office is out of the question most of the time. After discussing the property over the phone and I want to put in an offer. I fax or email a signed one page document which outlines the following :
– The price for the property offered – Names and contact details – Finance and the terms – Building, pest inspections – The deposit amount – I usually add a time-frame (24-48 hours) for a reply from the vendor or agent with an acceptance, rejection or counter offer
To me this shows the agent and the vendor that I am serious and in return I get taken seriously. When we agree on price and terms them the agent can arrange for contracts to be signed. We have a fax machine at home, so this speeds things up.
We have quite a few IP's and if we haven't bought in person then this system has worked very well for us. In fact, once we have made the initial offer in writing then any counter offers are usually done verbally. This is obviously because the agent sees you as a serious business person and let's face it … property investing is a business.
I agree with Jon here, …. If you are serious about buying a property then I see no reason why you wouldn't be prepared to make a written offer. If you want the best chance of your offer being accepted then why wouldn't you take the time to put the offer in writing, I'm sure it gives the vendor confidence that they are dealing with a genuine buyer.
sorry to hijack the thread people but, hey; that's impressive!
I'll tell you about mine if you tell me about yours!!
Thanks Marc
That's where we live. A place called Mystery Bay, … 12km south of Narooma on the far south coast of NSW.
The picture is of the bay which is approx 200mtr from our house. We look at the ocean through the tree's from our lounge and clear views from the front yard.
Only about 150 – 200 homes in Mystery Bay, …. I think they call it a "Hamlet" these day's …. used to be called a village, but no shops, so they changed the name. Narooma is close by with pop of 9,000, so no trouble stocking up on goodies and essentials.
An amazing place to live, … surrounded by National Parks, Ocean and Inlet waters and a mountain and dairy farms as a backdrop. We can walk through national park onto secluded bays for kilometers and quite often not meet another living soul, … very peaceful.
What makes it better Marc is that we bought the block for only $30k in 2001 (1000m2, corner) … lol … worth around $200k these day's for land only.
After recently having a 5 minute chat to town planner at Ipswich Council with the intension of handling the application process myself, I decided to employ a town planning consultant.
We can't do sub-division on our block, but we can have dual occupancy approval on our 800m2 corner block apparently. It will cost us around $20,000 (about $13,000 of this is for council fee's, levies, impact reports, holding fee's etc). We are flying up to meet the consultant in April to finalise everything as we live in NSW and I don't have the time, knowledge or understanding to do it ourselves.
Question: ….. Could the "sunset clause" option get around this problem, whereby an expiry date included in the contract signed by the prospective purchaser/s makes the contract null and void unless the contract is signed by the vendor before this date/time?
I have put an expiry date/time on written offers, but not on a contract.
Hi Martin, Totally agree/repect your comments. My decission was based on risk assessment whether it was right or wrong. I don't want to discussion the issue regarding the Mitsubishi plant issue in this post as it would be hijacking the initial post.
This is not answering your question, but when you mentioned Adelaide I recalled reading a news article today about the Mitibushi plant and the its future. 18 months ago I was looking a IP's around the Marion area but stayed away due to the rumours of the plant closing. Every 12 months there seems to be a news report about the plants future, one day it will close down. Therefore, if you looking in the south of Adelaide, factor the plants future in your duedilgence.
good luck
GeoffB
Geoff,
Whenever Mitsubishi want more govt money they threaten to close down the plant. The govt can't afford the bad press with headlines of "plant closing – loss of hundreds of jobs" plus the added ripple effect on other business who supply them with parts, so they give them more grant money to keep the doors open. This tactic by Mitsubishi has been going on for many years, …… and I'm sure it will continue under Labor / Rudd government.
I have a couple of IP's near the Holden plant in Elizabeth. Last year they announced that they would be laying off 600 jobs. It didn't affect property sales or rental market in the area.
If the plant did close it would probably have a negative affect on the immediate area, but Adelaide is growing and you would imagine that it would be able to absorb the closure.
In the book section in the back few pages of API magazine is a selection of books for property developing. I am in the process of researching for one myself so I can't recommend a title to you as yet.
errr…Its Ms thanks, and yes i'm a nice person how kind of you to point that out. I took the advice of researching, reading, attending seminars and doing my homework, NOT asking where are the +CF deals and waiting for them to drop in my lap thanks. No one on here told me where to find the deals, and nothing here says I have to give you all my hard work on a plate! And… i've given away to my friends and family about 10 deals that I couldn't do myself because of my situation, so yes… what comes around goes around, I did my research and took the kind advice on how to do it from here gladly and contributed back as well to this forum, I was offering encoragement, that if you do your homework you too can still find the deals, not asking for a free handout for where to find the deals, everyone's situation is different. You my friend.. need an attitude adjustment fast, and yes karma is a great thing didn't expect to be attacked here like that, leaves quote a sour taste to posting here after being here for several years.
Well done Ms HG, …… as they say, … the harder you work the luckier you become. You've put in the hours of research and you deserve the success.
To anyone interested in Brisbane price movement ….. Bought 2 x IP's in April 07 ……. and had them re-valued this week as part of a refinancing/portfolio restructure exercise …….. ________________________________________________________________________________________________
Goodna – Paid $235,000 / April 07 ……………. new valuation – $285,000 …… $50,000 gain
Redbank Plains – Paid $228,000 / April 07 ……new valuation – $270,000 ……$42,000 gain ________________________________________________________________________________________________
Negative at this stage ….. bought 2 x SE Qld, 1x Adelaide and 1 x NSW (settlement Nov 07). The other IP's in our portfolio are neutral to slightly positive and we own our PPOR outright, so the shortfall for the latest 4 IP's is quite acceptable at this stage.
We are counting on some good gains in the next few years with regular rent reviews to turn them into CF+ … plus we have a sub-dividable corner block on one of our IP's in SE Qld, in which we hope to either develop with an additional house/duplex or sell the land (400m2 after sub-division) and pay down the mortgage on the existing house to make it a CF+ investment.
The first few IP's we paid a cash deposit, but now we tend to borrow 100% using equity that we have built up. Time will tell if this is the right plan …. but we are happy with our spread of properties in our portfolio.
Hmmmm … scored 734, this would give us enough income to survive on current combined income for 2 years. I imagine the score will improve greatly over the next couple of years as we have added another 4 IP's to our portfolio since April this year and in 2-3 years we should see some good capital growth in the areas invested in ……. Well, that's the plan anyway ….
Just put my Goodna IP rent up $20 per week to $240. which is a 5.3% return. My Redbank Plains IP is returning 5.2%. Both properties were purchased in April this year.
I totally agree with Jon …. had some horror dealings with local town planners when I was building PPOR.
AmandaBS … What a nightmare for you …. I recently bought a property in Redbank Plains on 800m2 corner block …. council gave verbal approval for sub-dividing 400m2 (spoke to town planner), but I'm not looking forward to starting the sub-division process after your story.
Well done Amanda, … the way the market has been moving around Ipswich the past few months you've gained even more equity from your reno. We bought 2 IP's – Goodna and RBP in April 07, and can't believe the growth in only a few months.
You appear to be a very condescending person Jon. Of course I realise you work for the vendor and the law dictates this, but it doesn't make it any less frustrating at times.That is the point I was making. I was not attacking you personally, I was expressing my views as I am entitled to do in an open forum such as this. As you say .. "get used to it"