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    Thankyou Geronimo, Aceyducey and Bionic Beer Gut for your helpful advice.

    Wrappack wrote:
    If you are purely focused on the tax deal, why not just let yourself get screwed by the annual end of fin year agricultural scam? Pay less tax by earning less or losing more! Doesnt sound like a smart deal to me! (unless cap gain in future to offsett the loss)

    I am not “purely focused on the tax deal”. I was simply asking this question to give myself as much information as I could, before deciding whether to go ahead or not. I believe it’s part of the “due diligence” we should all be doing in our each of our investing decisions.

    Wrappack wrote:
    Consider WHY they want you to ‘go you halves’. In all honesty, it is probably because they cannot afford it on their own!

    Yes, it is because they cannot afford it on their own. Is it a bad thing for them to seek alternate sources of financing their purchase? We all do it in our investing – we ask the banks to finance our house when we cannot afford to buy it ourselves.

    All along we have been considering this from an investment point of view.
    While ngatively geared, the property is in an area which is experiencing growth at this point in time. The vendor is selling it at below value (compared to other properties recently sold in the area) as he is keen to sell before the new CGT rules start. So there is quite a good potential for capital gains.
    We have looked at the property this weekend and will most likely pass on it, as we had intended from the start to buy into positive cashflow properties and this one would tie up too much of our cash and loan serviceability right now.
    Our friends have found another possible avenue to fund this, so we are all happy.
    They have an interest in a negatively geared property, which they had originally planned to sell in about 9 months from now. They have spoken to the vendor of the property they are looking to buy and he is satisfied with their offer to sign and lodge deposit before the new CGT rules and settle in 9 months. They will move in after signing and pay rent until the settlement date.

    They’re happy, vendor’s happy, we’re happy, a win for all.

    Once again, thanks for all of your helpful contributions,
    Regards, Michelle.

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    Originally posted by Aceyducey:

    Consider some form of Unit Trust. It makes it less painless to sell out of the project & easier to distribute profits effectively.

    And speak to a professional about this stuff – it’s quite complex.

    Cheers,

    Aceyducey

    Thanks for the information Aceyducey,

    I have heard some mention of Unit Trusts, but do not really know anything about them. With the Tenants-in-Common agreement all parties are held ultimately liable by the banks for the whole debt on the property, not just their own share, thus affecting loan serviceability for future investment loans. Is this the same with a Unit Trust or does the bank only consider your own share?

    What sort of professional would I see about setting up a Unit Trust? Would that be some sort of legal person?

    Many thanks for your advice,
    Regards, Michelle.

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    Hi, thanks for the advice so far.

    I understand that if things are not put in writing up front then there will be greater scope for disputes. We definately intend to do this. We are meeting tonight to discuss the pros and cons of getting into this situation.

    BTW, we have lived in a shared rental with half of this couple for several years and therefore know many of his bad points. He has improved since then and his partner is quite level-headed. She already has a -ve geared IP with family members. We are quite aware of many the potential downsides to investing together.

    Mainly I was interested in the tax implications in this situation and also what sort of structure this should be set up under, if we decide to proceed.

    Regards, Michelle.

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    Originally posted by elbowgrease:

    Hi hiphop….If you are after a passive income of 50K within 5 years you will need properties returning $50 each to your pocket every week (ie: $50 more than the loan interest payment – have interest only loans too btw).
    … Perhaps set your goal date a few years longer so you have a chance of riding up the next boom. If you can wait that long, the value of your properties will have gone up – more equity, more deposits for more houses

    Am I missing something here?

    If you are only paying interest on the loan and not paying off the principal then do you still accumulate equity? Can you borrow against equity if you are not paying off the principal?

    Is it not better to pay P&I and then at some point in the future you will actually own the property outright and thus will end up with more cash in pocket from rental returns?

    My apologies, I’m a newbie and am still trying to understand everything.

    Regards, Michelle.

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    Originally posted by kay henry:

    Gramyre :o)))

    This post is a bit shallow and competitive anyhoo. [thumbsdownanim

    kay henry

    Hi Kay,

    I’m not sure that it was intended to be competitive.

    Some of the topics on the discussion board seem to be started to give the “newbies” some inspiration, to see that investing in property can work as a means of wealth creation.

    As one of those newbies, I feel that this was the purpose of this topic.

    And if it was purely a chance for everyone to brag about their acheivements, I still choose to be inspired.

    Regards, Michelle.

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    Hi,
    I’m new to property investing and still learning, so please excuse my question if it is too basic – What is an IRR?

    Also, there seems to be an argument going here that it is better to invest in -ve CF properties because they have greater growth than +ve CF properties.
    In my simplistic view: If you pay, for example, a $20K deposit on a $100K +ve CF property and it never increases in value – with a tenant paying rent and this paying the loan, you still end up with an $80 profit at the end of the loan (you’ve only paid $20K out of your own hard earned cash).
    Even if the property fell in value eg to $80K, you would still make $60K profit. Also allowing for inflation over the term of the loan, it still seems to me that there would be a significant profit, not to mention the extra cash you’ve earned from the +ve cash flow.
    So even without growth you have quite a large return on investment.
    Am I being too simplistic here, or is this a valid comment?

    Regards, Michelle.

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    Hi Phil,

    I just found a trial version of POSH at the Australian Property Investor magazine website.

    http://www.apimagazine.com.au/pages/magazine/software.html

    There’s also a trial version of something called Property Manager Pro, possibly a similar sort of thing?

    I haven’t tried either of them myself, I’m just a newbie and don’t have any properties of my own – yet.

    Regards, Michelle.

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