Both Melbourne and Brisbane commenced the upturn phase of this new property cycle in mid 2006 – so there is still some way for them to go yet.
Sure both cities have had tremendous capital growth in the last year, in fact too much for my liking at this early stage in the proeprty cycle, but there is still lots of upside in both cities.
Remember both cities are running a 3 tiered, divided proeprty market . The inner and more affluent suburbs are out performing which substantial capital growth – double digit in most cases and over 20% in some suburbs over the last year.
The middle ring suburbs are now moving forward as part of the ripple effect. And the oute suburbs are not performing well.
I'm also not a fan of 1 bedroom apartments especially if they are amongst 100s of others. I've got a friend who bought one 7 years ago and after owning it for 6 years sold it for about the same price as he paid for it. Unless it is something different such as next to water I wouldn't go near them.
Steve has acknowledged that it is not easy getting cash flow positive properties. So do other respected property authors such as Margaret Lomas, Michael Yardney, Melvin & Chan, Jan Somers and John Fitzgerald. Before you decide to concentrate on cash flow positive properties read a few other books. I have just read Michael Yardney's "How to grow a multi-million dollar property portfolio in your spare time" and am part way through Melvin & Chan's "How to achieve wealth for life through property investing". Both are easy reads. Both, like Fitzgerald, advocate growth based investing.
Steve McKnight's strategies are great if you are willing to put the time into his type of investing. Fitzgerald's approach suits me a lot better as I'm too busy working to put too much time into property investing. Most one bedroom apartments are definitely not growth based investments.
Since you quoted me I thought I would reply – firstly thanks for the kind words about my book – the new edition is selling very well.
I am happy to invest in 1 bedroom apartments as long as they are of a reasonable size – 50 sq mts or more and are in a top location. There's a huge tenant market out there looking for them and more are being bought by 1st home buyers (if they are in a good location).
I don't know why your friend's apartment didn't go up – it was either in a poor location or he paid too much.
I bought a whole block of 14 of them – settled in Feb 2007 – they are in the inner eastern Melbourne suburb of Glen Iris and have gone up 15% in value since I bought them (less than a year ago.)
But as I renovated the block inside and out and added courtyards to 5 of the apartments the value of this investment has gone up close to 30%.
Now if you think about it – that's about 100% on my money as I put in a 30% deposit.
I'm not telling you this to boast, but to illustrate some sound investment principals.
1. Time your purchase well. 2. Buy in an area which has a long history of strong capital growth. 3. Buy properties to which you can add value. and sorrry to say it… 4. Cash flow is of minor significance – if you can make this type of capital growth
Considering the large amount of money usually involved in commercial properties and the fact that you don't know what goes into a commercial lease, may I suggest you get a soicitor to draft the lease – even if you manage the property yourself.
Commercial properties are valued very differently to residential proeperties and this takes into account the yield, the strength of the tenant and the security of the lease. – Don't skimp on the lease.
I am still interested in other people's experiences with their local councils, especially in the inner suburbs or coastal areas.
vicgirl
vicgirl
What you are asking is important to know.
There are some council's that are more anti development such as Boorandara and Bayside, that we know means a longer time to achieve a development approval. This longer holding time means more holding costs – interest – and should be allowed for
Your input is always valued. However, I'm interested on what basis you would suggest that property values are languishing in Maroondah and Knox. Seems to be contrary to recent statistical and anecdotal evidence.
Sincere Regards – Ben
Ben
I did not mention any specific municipality, but I do know that many inner Melbourne suburbs have exhibited 20%+ growth in the last year while most middle and outer suburbs have only had 9% or so growth. Other outer suburbs have had little growth.
Our experience from doing feasibility studies in many Melbourne suburbs is that projects stack up much better in areas where prices are higher.
There's more flexibility with end values as opposed to some of the less affluent suburbs where prices are capped.
So one of the least importnat criteria we look at when looking for a potential development site is which council is it in. We only look at this to see what their development policy is and how that impacts the potential site.
Probably a more importnat question is …..in which municipalities are you likley to make a good development profit.
Sure some councils are more difficult to deal with, but this usually means once you have a development approval your property is worth considerably more as you have added even more value by taking away the development risk.
With building costs being much the same across Melbourne, I would concentrate on the more affluent suburbs where property values are increasing and markets are strong rather than the outer suburbs where prices are languishing.
Parts of the Brisbane market are booming, but the stats won't reflect it yet – but our Brisbane office has noticed a huge surge in demand for owner occupiers and investors and good properties are selling within days of being put on the market and receiving multiple offer.
Brisbane has definitely shown good long term growth -in fact its been the best long-term performer in real estate among Australia’s capital cities.
Since 1970 (when you could buy a median price house for $8,500) it has averaged 11% growth each year.
This means over the past 35 years Brisbane prices have doubled every 6 years or so.
Of course the growth has not been even. There was a long period during the 90's when prices went nowhere despite strong populaltion growth.
But it has huge short term and long term growth potential. It's time to buy – but buy selectivelyWhile the official REIQ figures show that medium house prices have risen by 9.5% in the year to June, the Brisbane market, like most property markets around Australia, is running at two speeds. Some suburbs, particularly those in the more affluent lifestyle regions or suburbs going through transition are out performing. While those suburbs that are traditionally where younger families or first home buyers live are languishing, as these areas are more affected by interest rates and petrol prices."There are a handful of suburbs that had growth in excess of 20% and some in excess of 30% over the last twelve months.For example, Manly has had growth of 25.7%, Mt Gravatt has had 20% growth over the last year, Ash Grove (24.1%), Greenslopes (20%), Kelvin Grove (20.4%) and Belmont (32%) and Auchenflower (29.7%). On the other hand there are many suburbs that have under performed with growth of 2%, 3% or 4% in the same time period.Currently owner occupiers and astute investors are all vying for the same small group of quality properties as they come onto the market and many are paying considerably above the asking price within days of the property becoming available.
Yes- my company Metropole Buyers Agency is Brisbane's largest buyers agency – we buy more proeprties than all the other Brisbane buyers agents combined, so George up there must be doing something right
Did I ask a stupid question or has nobody had any sucess in getting a buyers agent to source them a cashflow positive property.
if so, any websites addresses would be appreciated
No you didn't ask a "stupid" question – just one that won't be answered the way you want.
Metropole Buyers Agency is Australia's biggest and busiest Buyers Agency – buying more properties than any other property advocate – It's been a long, long time since we found anything that is +ve cash flow.
Good properties in top locations are highly sought after, get good capital growth put have poor cash flow.
I understand why you may be looking for cash flow – but today you can only find them in secondary proerties in very poor locations – something buyers agents tend to avoid
These suburbs are mainly populated by first home owners and as you said they are in the cheaper price range.
This means they are much more sensitive to the affordability issues we hear so much about. With the likelihood of another interest rate rise and with petrol prices unlikely to come down – these areas are having a tough time and are unlikley to give you much capital growth.
I know many beginning invetsors look for cash flow, but to make real money out of real estate you need capital growth and there are much better places to invest in Melbourne.
For the same price you could get an apartment in an inner or middle suburb – I'd rather pput my money there – In fact I have
You'll find that Michael Yardney is a member of this forum so perhaps you'll hear from him?
He's also written a book titled "How to grow a multi-million dollar property portfolio". As Raddles said his theory is based around high capital growth property which is usually within a 10klm radius of a major CBD & then drawing down on the equity. I'd suggest you have a read as its important to gain the perspective from both "sides" before setting your strategy.
Hello; Just about to take the leap into property investing and would be interesting in any info on this property trust deed as I have heard so many ways to set things up – company in trust , trust in company, wifes name only, family discretionary trust. We have what would be considered high risk business (PI insurers think so). So the only thing I know is that MY NAME can't be on it!
I already have very good accountant who has written books on property & shares who doesnt like the sound of it but admits he doesn't know much about this property Trust deed.
If you already have a very good accountant – then use his trsut deed.
Sure the C&N trust has some "bells and whistles" but if you have confidence in your advisor take his advice
I think sometimes those accountants & lawyers frequently mentioned in forums such as this are not more knowledgeable or provide better services than those who don't advertise as much. C & N will charge you by the minutes at high rate, so make sure you have a deep pocket.
You are correct – sometimes they are not – but in this case these guys at C&N specialise in property investment and are more knowledgable that the "average suburban accountant".
Many of our clients use C&N and they are generally very happy with them. And by the way – they do not charge "by the minute" – I think it is every 10 mins – I'm told they are not that expesive
I must declare that: 1. I am good friends with the partners of C&N 2. I do not use them as accounants – I've been using someone else for over 20 years – who charges even more more "per minute" than C&N
Do you already own the land? Are you sure you can fit on what you want to achieve?
I know a firm of building designers in the northern suburbs who should be able to help you. Send me an email – [email protected] and I'll happily pass on their name
There is no simple answer – the price differential will be greater in a high priced inner suburb than in a cheaper outer suburb. The differential will be greater in Sydney than in Launceston.
To work out the value of your proeprty check out sites like http://www.domain.com.au ot http://www.realestate.com.au and look for properties similar to yours – this will give you an indication of its value plus you can look up prices achieved for properties recently sold.
By the way – the value will have very little to do with retntal potential – that's not how residential proeprties are valued.
As Xenia suggests – you cannot do this with residential leases.
So protect yourself by ensuring your property manager does a careful tenant check. Of course not having defaulted in the past doesn't ensure they won't become a problem tenant in the future.
Late payments are a "hassle" but don't let them worry you – that's what you pay your property manager to worry about . It's their job to collect the rent