INVESTING IN LAND HAS ALLWAYS BEEN STABLE IN LONG TERM. WITH CURRENT GOVERNMENT AND COUNCIL DEVELOPMENT ATTITUDE IS ACREAGE PROPERTY INVESTMENT GOING TO PROVIDE GOOD LONG TERM RESULTS
Holding land as acreage property may lend itself to future subdivision depending on where it is sited in relation to suburban sprawl boundaries.
Really depends on council zoning and future plan/vision of the council and state governments. Buying up such properties on the hope of up-zoning occuring to optimise density of subdivision would be risky, unless due diligence indicates future zoning changes are likely.
If one already owns such property and zoning densities change for the better, then …………payday
Any land-bankers on the forum care to share their views?
It's for that exact purpose, that one would seek a valuation…….to revisit at any future time and use as a benchmark for that future valuation. That same credit provider will be providing future funds for use as an equity deposit on say another purchase (same or different bank) or for funds to do a reno or whatever.
I did not imply there was any conspiracy, however there is nothing transparent about the bank verbally saying yep valuation is at contract price and you have nothing written in your hand to compare to at any future point in time, when there has been a change of lending mnager.
Hi Folks The bank has valued my IP property for loan purposes and agrees to lend me the funds but wont tell me or the previous vendor what that value is, i remember back some time reading that this is a regular occurence with lending institutions, can someone tell me why this is such a secret with the banks. Thanks
So they can control everything. In their fees you've actually paid for the valuation, so it is your right not only to know, but to expect a copy.
Ask them again to provide a hard copy for your future reference and as a benchmark for future valuations if you wish to use equity growth as another deposit to buy again.
You will get the reply, it isn't our policy……..push them and demand one or tell them you will go to the banking ombudsman or similar.
What L.A. Aussie says is so true. Mindset is where it's at. Always re-frame negative dis-empowering thoughts into questions. That gives the ability to seek an answer(s) and move forward. Focus on solutions not problems or circumstances.
Marc, on that theme of thinking big. There is a great book "The MAGIC Of THINKING BIG " by David Schwartz. If you haven't read it, I highly recommend it.
In the words of Disraeli….."Life is too short to be little."
More information is required so here goes, I am looking to invest in the Brisbane coastal areas Scarborough, Brighton, Sandgate, Woody Point and Margate or within 10km from Brisbane city north side, I have been looking at Kedron and Hendra. $700k is my budget. A cheap house would be $350k an expensive house would be $600k+. I have no problems servicing a loan of $700k.
Thanks,
Hi julie10
I'm not from Brisbane, however am familiar with most of the suburbs you've mentioned.
On those figures I also would go for two cheaper properties. Yield is usually (not always) better and you can diversify the locations. Unless of course you buy two next door to each other and you can land bank whilst receiving two rents.
Never forget the usual fundamentals such as amenity, transport, school, shops, etc, etc. You should secure easier finance with two smaller lends and also be able to use two different providers. Don't x-coll your loans. Hasten slowly. There's no rush in this market. You get some good value in the ensuing months.
I am a 28 years old full time working professional, i will NEVER buy a property for at least another 5 years, because its going to crash, i put my money in the bank (cash), and wait for the market to go down. Why should i rescue some greedy property investor from their huge mortage? i pay rent (much less than the actual interest on a mortage), i go to overseas holiday 3 times a year with my cash, in 5 years i can easily save $300,000 than i may consider buy a property, just may…. why do i believe the property will crash? because all the baby boomer are retiring and dying, their empty houses will change hand, there will be alot of empty houses, read this article
And (in the tone of your post) do you not consider the purveyors of the travel goods and services that you consume (three times per year no less) to also be GREEDY, just like the ogre property investor? Is your landlord greedy too?
Get informed…….in addition to the post from Yarpos above, why will a baby boomer retiring equate to dying? The article you provide the link for relates to NZ. Are you from there? Surely not all New Zealanders are leaving their country.
The issue of demand for housing in Australia (this forum relates to this country) will not go away any time soon.
Are things coming off the boil? Yes.
Will things possibly soften a bit more in many Aus markets? Yes.
And here TT552 will be the opportunities. Wait 5 years and you will miss the boat.
Indeed if it is baby boomers that will be dying soon, then you will not be buying the greedy property investors houses you will be buying off the estate of the deceased (who was in living form an owner occupier).
You'd better hope that the heirs do not hold the asset and become greedy landlords themselves because you might just become their tenant.
Who put you up to write such an ill-informed maiden post?
Don't be put off by the less enthusiastic QS's you spoke to.
What state are you in? I can give you recommendations for Melb, Sydney and Bris/Gold Coast. If they apply to you, please PM me and I'll provide details.
Yields are stronger in Morwell and properties are much more affordable than Traralgon. You can still pick up houses within 1 km of town centre and train for low 100 K's returning around 6 %. Usually largish blocks that may have sub-division/development potential for the future.
As units4me states Traralogon is the pick of the Latrobe Valley towns, much prettier town and larger population base. New urea plant in the pipeline creating more jobs also. Having said that, even if your tenant in Morwell is lower socio-economic demographic, they can still afford the rent. It's all about numbers. I feel Traralgon has flown and better value to be found in Morwell, which has similar prices to Moe, however stronger yield. Plenty of shops for lease also in Moe. The commercial district in Moe is not as busy as Morwell.
As for Morwell being the next Ballarat. I doubt it. Although the Moe/Morwell/Traralgon towns have availability of jobs, the amenity to Melbourne is not there. Pakenham bypass is great new infrastructure, however there are more jobs closer to Ballarat than to the Latrobe Valley.
Ballarat is commutable to Melbourne and especially to the Wetsern suburbs and plenty of industrial work opportunities.
With regards the stuff Carly teaches, I have gone thru her home study and the content is outstanding. There are so many strategies discussed with repsect developing (and property options is only one of them……..and lucrative at that, if you get it right).
I'm attending her three day seminar later in the year also. I have had excellent follow up email support with her organisation and if you have any questions with the syllabus or with your own projects, they are only too pleased to help.
Carly Crutchfield is a breath of fresh air and an inspiration to have achieved so much at age 27. There is no veneer or facade to her. She walks her talk.
thanks for sharing the link to these exact property methods used by the Property Millionaires……….very genorous for a first time post.
I guess we should all hasten to sign up so our details may be captured and the ad infinitum email messages to our inbox commence.
Do tell more about what you know about the process and how far along your prosperity journey it has gotten you……..hope you don't mind, it's called due diligence for the rest of the forum members.
In this market volatility unless it is on stocks/shares you already own………I personally wouldn't bother. All you need is for some bad news to come out of Wall Street and our market will haemorrhage at next open. Stocks gap down by 5-10 % thereby wiping out your premium received.
There are better times to be doing this and current volatility does not bode well for such a strategy especially if ,as suggested by tam32, the funds used are off a LOC or similar at circa 9 % .
For me my property radar is on for more opoortunities in the 6-12 months and in the meanwhile cash is king. My term deposit rates are nearly 1 % higher than the highest of my fixed rate IP loans.
Let's see things as they are and not worse than they are. I am not Pollyana, but neither is my glass half empty. As Jon has alluded to above there is still much demand for housing and people have to live somewhere. That we will probably see some sideways activity and slight further correction in many Aus markets is probably a given……hence opportunities will abound. Amongst the more pessimistic of the forecaters is BIS Shrapnel who consider a further 0.5 % rate rise this year (and possibly in one hit around Sept), then some sideways activity before rates begin to fall into next year.
Be poised to optimise the opportunities that will present, and like good boy scouts and girl guides…….BE PREPARED to take action.
There are deals everywhere. I recently picked up a block of land in a major Vic provinicial city (800 m from its CBD and fast train to Melb) with a lapsed 2 x 2 BR townhouse application for less than the price of my last car which is now eight years old (and not a European marque). My worst case scenario for it was even putting a new turn key 4 BR box on it would give me a 30 % return (if I sold, which I won't) and the rental yield will be 7.5 % before depreciation.
This little diamond in the rough is my cheapest purchase in over 20 years of investing yet will be the most profitable by way of percentage return and manufacturing equity. There are diamonds in the rough every where and the rough may indeed get a little rougher before things pick up again…..eyes wide open.
It helps not to be too negative and pessimistic. Positive thinking may not allow you just do "anything", but positive thinking will allow you to do everything better than negative thinking will.
Yarpos, I wonder what the capital growth would have been in your mate still had the XU-1 (assuming it hadn't rusted out).
I dont understand……how do tax cuts slow down the economy? doesnt injecting more spendable cash into the hands of the masses keep it percolating along?….and encourage the RBA to take it away with interest rises
Yep.
Injecting more "spendable cash" into the hands of the sheeple will make Harvey Norman and other vendors of instant gratification very happy.
Scamp … please stop posting ridiculous posts in this thread … you're an absolute idiot and have not a clue about the Australian Market. Figures you are quoting for Varsity are idiotic …. you're making yourself out to be more of a fool every post you make … give up!!!
NO ONE TAKE ANY NOTICE OF ANY POSTS WRITTEN BY SCAMP!!!
Varsity will get the rent returns expected… every day … but ben they wont cover the repayments. If a property is valued at $250K and you borrow 90% you would borrow $225K and at interest only repayments you would be paying abou $400+ per week plus costs. As uni students usually share … if it's a 2 bedroom you may be able to rent out each room individually and get closer to the mark … but this doesnt always work out as you would like it to …. as far as tenants go 'trashing' a place .. you can get landlord insurance to help with those problems but it still can be a risk … so you need to screen your tenants well!
Cheers
Maxxi,
Don't attack the person.
Be critical only of their opinion…….after all this is a forum. I don't agree with the claims made either, nor the "sky is falling down" tone of Scamp's posts, however he is entitled to his opinion.
To attack the person by using words like absolute idiot and fool, does not in any way add to your credibility either.
This investment has it all for the astute investor Great depreciation!
Haha.. he warns you already there "Great DEPRECIATION!" I think I found the first honest RE agent out there Anyway, do you know any student that can afford 240$ per week ? Count on 130$ per week , that's 520 per month, which is a lot to pay for a student already. 520 per month = 6240 per year rental incomes. You PAY : 260000*9.5/100 = 24700 per year You LOSE : 18460 per year if you buy this appartment. That doesn't include the losses from the promised DEPRECIATION! as advertised in the advert ofcourse.
It's a bad deal. Plus it's a student flat, expect them to trash the place.
Scamp,
have you even been to the Gold Coast.
The Varsity precinct houses students from Bond University. This a private, full fee paying tertiary campus. The students attending there are funded by their parents and can well afford the rent you scoff at.
And, the depreciation that you also mock is a paper loss that enables investors to offset and reduce holding costs. All buildings/dwellings lose value and depreciate.
I am not passing comment or judgement on any of the deals that appear above, just merely wanting to clarify that before you post you should check your facts about the area/suburb you are commenting on.
you make some good points. I don't believe the market has bottomed. That may occur in another 6-12 months. BIS Shrapnel are amongst the more pessimistic of the forecasters and they are tipping a further 0.5 % rate rise this year and maybe in one hit around Sept.
I seek my information from books, online sources, networking and attending seminars. I have to admit that I have learnt from both Michael Yardney and his events and from John Fitzgerald (I assume that is who you mean by 2. Fitzgerald), amongst others.
Many of these companies do offer guarantees in some form such as rent guarantees if your product is not finished within contract timeline. I know for a fact that John Fitzgerald actually coughed up and finished numerous properties for his clients when a builder went belly-up a few years ago and then got re-imbursed by insurance later. He didn't have to go to such lengths, however property is a relationship business and you need to keep the customers happy. I know him personally and he is definitely not like Henry Kaye.
Having said that any company guarantee is only as good as the $ 2.00 entity behind which it hides. Times are getting tough to move stock and so I think we will see plenty more advertising to move stale/stagnant stock or projects under completion with few buyers. There should be more opportunity over the next 18 months to be picky and choosy about what we invest in…eyes wide open……….and, Caveat Emptor.