I don’t think there really is any other way other than to borrow money.
Your strategy sounds quite conservative (in factoring in your payments based on higher rates[]) and so I don’t see a huge problem for you in investing in this manner.
Personally, if I have any loans, I will never have ‘spare cash’ as it will be working to reduce my interest bill in one way or the other (offset or LOC), but ready to use to fund the next purchase.
Also, if you are going to do a reno yourself, get a QS in before, as well as after!!
Why? Because they will put a value on the carpets, curtains etc. etc. that you are ripping out. Then you can claim that entire balance in this year, because they are now ‘dead’.
In the property I bought between Brisbane and Gold Coast in 1994 (two tier marketed big time!!), we paid $112K, and the ‘agent’ or company that signed us up was paid $10K.
That’s the sort of commission that I recently paid on a $390K selling price.
Kiyosaki’s assertion that the stock market will crash is based on the fact that in America, when they hit retirement age (I think 65) they MUST start withdrawing their super/IRA/401k. They cannot leave the money invested and live off the earnings.
So, if x million people start selling the shares, and keep doing it over a long period, there’s going to need to be buyers with that much money to purchase them. If we’re moving into lower population areas, then he’s saying that there aren’t going to be enough people wanting to buy.
If you have no cash I don’t know what the rock would look like!!!
Don’t you earn some massive salary (anything over $60K to me is massive[]). You could always spend less than you earn!!!!![]
If you’re talking spending cash, then I wouldn’t refinance at all, but if you’re talking investing cash, then I would be looking at getting an LOC against your PPOR (if I remember rightly you have a lot of equity in it). This way, you’re only charged if you spend/invest the money, but it’s there for you if a deal comes up, and you don’t have to worry about applying to the bank. Especially if you are looking at NZ. A cash purchase, followed by finance should ensure no huge problems.
Get a Quantity Surveyor who will value all for you. Best way to do it. It’s very kind of the vendor to create all those extra tax benefits for you – just don’t tell him/her or they might up the price!!![]
If your trust deed is written well, any company that any of the primary beneficiaries are directors of are also beneficiaries of the trust. It doesn’t have to be the trustee company.
Check out Dale GG’s manuals on Trusts. A must read.
Tell the agents to put it to the vendor, and let the solicitors decide the insurance issue.
Lozza, are you talking about you being able to build the carport pre settlement, or subject to the council allowing you to build it?
See if your solicitor can word it such that you’re able to build it, but that the vendor’s aren’t 100% on what you want to do, as they might not sell it to you then and put in a carport themselves.
As for finding termites during renovations, your pest inspector should have picked that up pre exchange/unconditional.
I’ve gained access prior to settlement – the property was vacant so it didn’t matter. It would be a bit hard for a vendor to agree if they were still living there, so something to think about.
Guys, you’re focussing too much on this land tax issue.
What I’m focussing on is being able to distribute the income to where it can have the most benefit in my family, and be taxed the least!! You cannot do this when owning in your own name. If you save $5K in land tax, but have to pay $10K in income tax cos they are earning so much money, surely you are worse off than if you had a trust, paid $5K in land tax, but saved $10-15K in tax because of your structure?
You are also not protected if people wish to sue you whereas you are using a trust.
1) Will exchange contracts in next couple of weeks.
2) $175,000 (commercial office)
3) Buy and hold, will possibly use some area myself at a later date.
4) $377
5) Not 100% yet.
I would dispute that the main process in the books is wraps. It is a big part, but there are still examples of renos, buy and holds, etc. etc.
In WA, to do a ‘wrap’ you need to get a credit provider’s licence – cost couple of hundred, time frame, couple (or more) of weeks. I don’t think it’s too hard, but it’s ‘one more hoop’ to jump through. There are plenty of WA people around here, and this has been discussed at length. Do a search and have a read of the Wraps Forum.
Shaun, sounds like a reasonable plan, as long as you do not spend any of the money on non investment things. Put all money pulled in from refinance in LOC on PPOR.
If your accountant calls you a tosser, move on, there are plenty of them around.
Shaun, don’t focus so much on individual properties. Look at the overall portfolio!
If you refinance your PPOR, then use all of that money to buy +ve properties. Then you may have some -ve properties, and some +ve properties, but when you add them all together, you should come out +ve.
I’ve got some of each, and don’t worry particularly about any particular, but as I said, I add them all together, and assess what I need to do from that vantage point.
Cheers
Mel
P.S. You are right about what I said re the extra cash to cover any shortfall, but that was not in context with my comments above re the +ve property, and avoiding tax if you are in a portfolio +ve cashflow situation.
Kat, when getting second mortgages on my properties, I have not been charged a higher interest rate, so it’s not been a problem in getting that second loan.
Getting the bank to release that security costs money anyway, so there may not be that much of a saving by cross collateralising. It also ties you to that one bank, whereas if you got the 2nd mortgage with the same bank as your current PPOR, your investment loan could then be with whoever you choose.
jm, there have been heaps of discussions on rental managers, and fees etc. If you have a look using the search function you’ll get some excellent advice, including some questions to ask your proposed property manager.
As for the renos prior to settlement, if you have a contract, you can enforce settlement. Make sure that part of the contract gives you access to undertake the renos. Talk to your solicitor.
Julian, that’s good news about the growth. Well done.
I own 8 properties at the moment (only 1 in my name, all others are joint ownership), and our family trust has 2 under contract – completion 2006, value increased by $60K each since purchased []. Also purchasing an office, and a place in regional NSW in the trust – settlement probably in January.
With your QLD apartment, I would like to advertise for a tenant as close to (but before) settlement as you can. If it’s a big block, that will all complete at once, you could have some ‘fun’ trying to get yours tenanted.
It’s just a recommendation from the RBA, and they don’t make the laws.
I can’t see the rules being changed.
Shaun, remember that you cannot refinance the IP to pay our your PPOR loan unless that loan was for investment purposes!!! I can’t remember if it was or not.
Nowhere in my post was I suggesting negative gearing. My post was discussing turning the positive cashflow before tax, into a neutral arrangement after tax. A profit, but paper losses to turn that into neutral or negative – no tax to pay.
Shaun, if you want to keep working for a few years (even if you get this new job and have to actually do some WORK), then purchase some properties like your Darwin one that are close to break even, and have masses of depreciation – ie new. Use your tax savings to either purchase more, or to pay down the loans so that eventually they will be neutral or positive.
Well done on your two properties. [] I bought one and a half when I was 19 (two tier marketed, but offset by buying Grandad’s half of his house with Grandma) and I thought I’d done really well. You’ve exceeded that though.
I’m guessing that you have a full time job and can afford and qualify for loans etc. My advice is to not get so hung up on sub $100K properties. Chances are that they are that price for a reason, and the rental returns in the towns may not be the best. For instance, a property that costs $70K more to buy, may only rent for $20 more, and as a tenant, which would you choose?
Talking to RE Agents is the best way, and looking at private sales also. Doing this though you need to know your rental market.
Cheers
Mel
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