pmaurice, it is not generally charged on your PPOR, unless the land value is $1M or something similar.
It is charged on IPs, and they add all the land values of all the property you own. There is some threshold (perhaps $280K – some NSW people can correct me), and when your total land owned (IP) is worth more than that, you owe land tax. I believe it is an annual figure.
I also think it is pretty sneaky that the government doesn’t come to you. Here in ACT it would be very rare for the govt not to let you know your tax – it’s on every IP with no threshold whatsoever, BUT, at leas they don’t then aggregate all your holdings and work it out based on that.
There are a couple of ways that I can think of that this can happen. The first one is of course where you borrow against the equity in already owned properties, thus providing security for the banks to lend the full price.
Another way is to purchase off the plan, and after one year, most lenders seem reasonably happy to lend on valuation if it is higher than purchase price.
You can also buy on a longish settlement which achieves the same as above, or buy and renovate prior to settlement. I think this one has a harder time getting past the banks.
On exchange of contracts, you do have to hand over either some cash, or a deposit bond (which does cost $$$). It may be as little as $100, or could be a car or something similar (it’s called ‘consideration’ and doesn’t HAVE to be cash, but the agents will push for it)
Peter, you could leverage later I suppose, but that will set back your investing time a bit.
I reckon what you should do as a start is to contact a mortgage broker (if you don’t have one, the guys and girls that post here are a good start) and find out what your borrowing capacity would be in both situations. With both on good incomes, perhaps you could do both now.
Or at worst, you might be able to do the most pressing renos on your house, and invest. At best, you could do everything.[]
We’ve got Zone Alarm Pro which my friend installed when he built me the computer.
Just looking at it now it says 409 intrusions blocked, 218 have been high rated.
Guess I’m not on the net as often as you SIS!
We’ve got PC Cilin which checks all emails etc., and we don’t get pop ups, but if we go to sites like ebay we get errors instead!! I don’t understand computers, so I don’t know what is causing it.[]
Sure SIS, sounds like a plan with no drawbacks – although I’m not an accountant[], and don’t want to write a book. You be the Steve part, and I’ll be the Dave part[] You seem to be far better at finding properties than me anyway, so I’ll work on funding those deposits.
pmaurice, from what I have seen posted on these boards, it appears you have to contact the NSW govt to find out what your liability is – they don’t tell you until you try to sell the property. then you must pay all accumulated land tax before the title will be clear. (I think it’s something like that)[]
If the vendor will ‘take back’ a second mortgage, what it means is that you now have two loans on the property, and hopefully didn’t have to come up with much of your own cash.
It is not wrapping, as your name is on title, and you’ve got a normal loan from a bank. Basically the vendor is taking an IOU from you for that extra $$ that the bank won’t lend you. You agree to pay x in interest, and to pay it back in (probably) a couple of years.
Hi CheekyOldBat, I find that I often forget there were a few of them involved as well. You think, well he (meaning Steve) has got so many, whey can’t I? But it certainly adds more perspective to see that it’s four times the income supporting thier lives and their investing.
Still, as you say, I’m happy to aim for 30 or 40, and move on from there.[]
SIS, I really feel old reading some of your posts, and I’m only 28.[]
With both my Dad and me using our Telstra connection, we’re lucky if we get anywhere near our 1 Gig limit – mostly we make it to just on 500 Mb!![] Which costs us $75 or something (with a discount for having Telstra as our long distance carrier).
peterhen, I must admit I cringed when I saw the amount you wish to spend on your own house.
Once you spend that money improving your house, you just keep paying for it. If you can use that same money to invest, and earn income from, then you are waaaaay in front.
Say it cost you $200-300 per week to pay for the new loan. YOU have to fund this. If however, that loan could buy a decent property in a decent sized town, and earn $200 per week, you are $400-500 better off. To me that’s a no brainer. You could always put that extra $$ that you would be paying into your reno loan into investments as well, and compound the difference.
If you can get positive cashflow, then at some point in the future (perhaps not even too far away) you could get your reno done, AND have extra income from your investments.
If you are looking at buying something together, my preference would be to set up a unit trust which would purchase the property. You can allocate the shares in any proportion – you basically ‘buy’ them, a lot like a company.
You can also set up your agreements as to what happens if one wants out etc. etc. In all things, talk to your advisors, and outlay any concerns you have. Now, while you are friends, is the best time to come up with all the what if scenarios, especially the one where you suddenly hate each other.
You also need to set out what happens if something breaks – do you repair/replace/get three quotes/take the first etc. etc. How will it be paid? I’ve seen this sort of situation bickered about between the partners, while the poor tenant is sitting at home with no hot water.[]
hissho, a clean record is far better than one showing defaults etc.
There are a number of excellent brokers on this forum. I suggest you contact any one of them privately so that you can give them more details and they can outline your options for you.
And yes, banks check your baycorp file. Each time you put in an app, they will probably check your file, and add that you have applied, so there will be another transaction on your file.
I had the same problem in Canberra. Travelling to Sydney all the time was out – costs of accom, travel and the course were a pain in the butt.
My solution was to find the ‘home study’ courses. the first one I purchased was Peter Spann’s ‘Welcome to Wealth’ (I think it’s a different title now). It was $98 I think, and good value. I did proceed to buy some of his other more in depth programs, and have done actually attended some seminars as well (many different presenters). If you want to have a look at his website http://www.freemanfox.com.au. There would also be many others out there (a lot have been mentioned on this site) who have home study kits as well. Hans Jakobi rings a bell.
I don’t think there is a rule regarding length of time you must live in the house for the 6 year rule to kick in. Although you cannot have another PPOR in that time.
To be safe, I would consider living there for at least 3-6 months before leaving if all you are doing is buying it for the CGT exemption (which seems an odd way to do things though). If you have good reason for having to move out – like can’t afford payments (although shouldn’t have bought in first place – unless it was a job loss that killed your affordability), or left state etc., then timing should not be an issue.
The CGT exemption is a lot different to the FHOG which will be policed more heavily if what we read/hear in the news is correct.
Hey SIS, I’d still check it out with the state govs. Who knows, the laws may not have been passed. As I said, I only saw it written on these forums, and I don’t qualify for the FHOG (despite having never owned a PPOR[]) so I haven’t bothered much with the legislation.
pmaurice, the good thing about commercial properties is that the tenant pays the outgoings (if that’s how the lease is set up). So there’s mimimal cost to you in ‘holding’ the property.
The bad thing about commercial is that banks don’t lend as high an LVR, and also the interest rates are higher than residential.
Hopefully somebody with commercial holdings can give you a more specific answer.
Andrew, I know I’m not Steve, but I’ll try to answer your question.
To get a rental return of 10.4%, using a calculator, you would take the purchase price, eg $134K., and multiply it by your required return (10.4% or .104). Divide the answer by 52, which gives you your weekly rent.
So 134000*.104/52 = 268
The 11 second solution is a ‘formula’ you can do in your head to come up with the same result. so don’t think of ‘halving’ the rent because of any costs etc., it’s just a way to come up with your desired purchase price.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
Mel
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