A lot of the arguments on here seem to be about Today Tonight ‘misquoting’ Steve, and calling the ‘target’ creating ‘property millionaires’ when in fact the target is to enable people to control $1Mil of property.
Steve’s definition of propery millionaire
Well, with the exception of the ‘in any circumstances of life’, and on the basis that ‘property millionaire’ means someone who controls $1m in property, I don’t think that this is beyond the realms of possibility.
Kay Henry’s definition
We have also had discussions on here about what that means- it means “net 1 million of property”, NOT controlling one million.
For what it’s worth, I believe that a ‘millionaire’ or ‘billionaire’ have that much NET worth, and therefor agree with Kay, and disagree with Steve. And yes, there are a lot of ‘property millionaires’ (my definition) in Sydney because of high property prices. So saying millionaire really doesn’t mean much.
However, what Steve’s program is doing is educating people to make their property work for them. They probably won’t have a Net worth in excess of $1 Mil, but if they keep going there is nothing that will stop them – plus they will have a constant cashflow that they can do what they like with.
More power to Steve and the MAPpers for achieving the ‘portfolio’ in my opinion.
In the ACT there is no land tax threshold either, so I’m used to paying it on every property. In NSW there is also no (or very very low) land tax threshold if you own properties through trusts or companies, so any of those investors pay it anyway. If they drop the effective rate then I’ll be happy about that.
As for the stamp duty – I agree it’s a bugger. As someone else has said, it will also go more to the govt coffers than to help first home buyers. I don’t really think it’s the stamp duty that’s keeping them out of the market – it’s more the sky high prices.
I really don’t like to sell any properties anyway, so I’m working on that not affecting me either.
Of note, immediately the news was ‘broken’ the ACT govt was pretty much called upon to follow suit ‘or else we will find all the first home buyers crossing the border to buy their houses’! Not much mention of the land tax (not an issue for us so obviously no mention), and of the stamp duty on sale.
Steve’s aim was to have the cashflow, so that he no longer had to work. To do this, you can’t buy properties for CG cos that defeats the purpose.
whilst you are working in a job that you don’t hate, a mixture of the two can be a workable solution. Personally, I’ve made far more money out of CG than I have out of cashflow, which was fine while I was working.
Now that I am not (working that is), I’m looking at ways to find the cashflow so I don’t have to go back to work. It probably won’t be in property though, as I would have to own many many country properties to get the cashflow to replace my (previous) job income.
In regard to your depreciation ‘cutting out’ when you’ve got no more income to offset, this is true, however if you are also purchasing CF+ properties, you won’t pay tax on the cashflow if you’ve got extra depreciation. Also, if you get to a negative taxable income (which I’ll be at for this year and last when I eventually do my tax return), you can carry that forward – that’s also a good time to think about cashing in a property if that’s what you’re inclined to do.
My folks taped the show while i was in bed catching up on my sleep []
So, I watched it this morning. I think these stories do need to be aired, to warn the uninformed who are the ones likely to get burnt.
What I didn’t like about the story though, was that all of the problems became ‘the bank’s fault’. The bank should have told us not to buy, the bank should have told us the valuation, they should have told us we were being ripped off, should have gived us advice.
I disagree. The second your bank manager gives ‘advice’ he/she can be prosecuted for giving advice without a licence. So they can’t, and don’t do it. I do think it should be mandatory that copies of valuations be given to the customer though – after all it’s their app fees that are paying for it.
The best way to avoid this issue, is not to cross collateralise – that way you’ll definitely find out what the IP is worth, as the bank will only lend 80% of what their valuation is. Again, these scammers aren’t going to tell the people this though.
SIS, it said on the show that VO only makes $10K per property (or so his people said). Wonder if they tell different stories to different people?
[offtopic]VO is a big fat guy! Watching him trying to get into his car was pretty funny. Obvioiusly he was still well fed whilst in jail!
It would show Chan$ as the last poster if a. he edited a post of his, or b. he posted, but then deleted that post. Hope that answers your question, otherwise I don’t know!![bonjour]
First IP bought mid 1993 – Waterford West 2 bed townhouse. $112K. Rent $130. Value now $125K, rent $125. D’oh. Two tier marketers.
Second IP bought same time. Canberra 2 bed townhouse. $120K. Rent $120pw. Sold to friend in October for $260K. $20K discount for friend and no agent. Was renting at $210, but should have been $250.
Yep it is. Some ways are acceptable by the ATO, and some aren’t, so you’ve got to be very careful how you do it if you wish to claim the capitalised interest as a tax deduction.
Harbinger, did you pay the same price that it is now valued at? (This sounds like one of aussies riddles!)
I’m thinking the issue is the negative cashflow, which will be even worse while you are not renting it out, and at best you will have at least another month before a settlement on your sale could occur. First, get a tenant in!!
Second, talk to a mortgage broker to see if they can get you a better finance deal – if it’s valued at higher than your loan, you will do better too.
I’ll do a ‘knockout bid’ for the auction, and go for $210K.