I’m not a wrapper, but believe I have a fair understanding of how they work.
A point that Neil Jenman constantly makes is that potentail wrappees cannot afford to get traditional bank loans. I would say this is untrue.
Many reasons people cannot get traditional bank loans:
No deposit
No savings
Irregular or ‘unrecognised’ income
Default on credit file
Discharged bankrupt
etc. etc.
Yes, there probably are products out there that will cover nearly all circumstances, but in some instances those credit providers charge a much higher interest (PLUS fees) than do any wrappers.
Are you not sleeping at night because of the future and how to have it set up correctly, or because of the possibility of an ATO audit at which point you’ll be in the p**?
Also, when you paid out the loan on your PPOR, did you do it from the refinance monies (ie tfr debt from PPOR to IP) or by a lump sum from elsewhere? If it was by tfr debt due to refinance, it gets uglier…..
If you don’t have a good solicitor in Canberra, I recommend Francis Low from National Business Lawyers.
For an accountant I have seen recommended on here (and from other business acquaintences) Tony Commisso http://www.acca.com.au.
Jay, after you logon, click the button on the left of screen that says ‘Active Topics’. That will show all topics added to since you last logged on – grouped by forum.
Alternatively, you can choose a timeframe to see those posts that have been created since 15 mins, 30 mins, 2 days etc. etc.
Just spoke to my accountant this morning re my 02/03 tax return. He told me that I made a ‘loss’ of $120K on my properties in that year. Adding to some courses I am claiming, my taxable income for year 02/03 will be -$100K!! Woo hoo for me. Some huge losses to carry forward to this year where I’ve got a reasonable capital gain….. Plus earnt a big income due to being paid out my Rec Leave and LSL in one hit[]
Tinkerbell, was the advice to buy shares or managed funds perchance?
I often get annoyed when I read the answers in those sort of write in sections, but when they’re financial planners, you don’t expect much different.
There are some that will give advice on property, but not too many I’m afraid.
However, perhaps the advice to stay away from OTP properties was not totally bad. Plus these guys sound like they have no savings habits if they earn that much, pay that little in rent, and still have debts…..
Talk to all of your daughters, and ask them what the others would think of you trying to help this one out. If they are amenable, then good – if not, dig deep and find out why not. You have ‘helped’ them out by buying that IP with them.
Then as has been said, talk to your daughter and her hubby separately. Hubby may not like taking on any debt whatsoever.
My sister’s husband is like that, and has vetoed many options where they could have purchased and made squillions.
My Dad also wants to help out my younger brother with buying a house. He’s ‘lived a good life’ (except that his GF died in a car crash 18 months ago), and has nothing to show for it. My older brother has a PPOR, and an IP (that I found for him, organised etc. etc.) I own an IP with my sister (two actually), and she has a PPOR. I live at hime virtually rent free.
I haven’t thought about talking to the others about Dad helping my brother (i’m helping Dad to find ways to help) – I’ve just assumed it would be ok. He is especially at a disadvantage in that the house he will be purchasing, is more than double, and almost triple what my other siblings paid for similar or better houses. So he’s going to need a hand with the monthly repayments.
I’ve been working out a way whereby I can help him with that, but at the same time, help out the others – with less of a ‘hand’ as their payments are substantially less also – so in proportion really.
Perhaps you should chat with your daughter about purchasing an IP, and seeing if they can pay that off any quicker by using tax deductions, and any ‘spare’ cash and the tenant of course – maybe that is an easier way to get them ‘into the market’. Of course, if hubby is like my brother in law – it might be interesting…..
Originally posted by Pisces:
I do however find his wife’s behaviour abominable.
Because of her position, yes, she should have shut up and suffered in silence, not bring further disgrace upon the family.
Behaving in a prim and proper way comes with the territory. Sorry.
What a crock! He’s allowed to bang away all he likes with the ugly duckling, but she has to shut up to protect HIS family? Don’t think so Tim!
Perhaps she went a little far, but if she didn’t have to be so ‘virginal’ when she married him, and done some ‘prior living’, she mightn’t have needed to do it later on. Besides, I think she’d gone a little loopy by the end – as anybody would have living under that family.
Thank god the Danes have more class – and are actually allowed to hold hands in public (OMG!). No wonder the Danes love their monarchs.
My uncle (RIP yesterday []) is/was Danish, and he was on life support in hospital watching the wedding – saw the alcohol that was being drunk at the reception, asked for it for himself, and became very patriotic. His coffin will be draped with the Danish flag. He had been in Aust for close to 50 years.
Bill’s still very bearish on Canberra, and property in general, so the others of us that meet up don’t invite him when we want to discuss real estate[evil4]
After many years of putting everybody else above me, and putting all spare cash towards investing, I’ve finally worked out that to stay sane I need to spend time doing stuff just for me.
Now the only problem is how to break the habit, and work out what I want [blush2]. I’ll get there….. eventually.
If you charge a higher rate than you are paying, you will need to declare income and pay tax. If you charge the same, then it’s a net of 0, so no problem.
If you charge less and try to claim it as a loss, the question will come back as to what ‘investment’ or gain you expect to get out of the loan.
IMO you would be best to charge what you are being charged for a zero effect.
If you’re going to reno a property – definitely get a QS done BEFORE. This way, you can claim everything you replace as a write off straight away!!!!! then you can depreciate the new stuff.
Cobra, I like to take your principal, and change it a liiiittle bit..
Do unto others as they wish to be done unto.
This way, you are not actually putting your beliefs etc. onto them, as they may not wish to be treated the same as you. I think Tony Robbins (?) was the one that made that distinction for me, but I’m not 100% on the speaker![blush2]
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a) Whether your first porperty was a PPOR or an IP,
IP, then I lived in it (before I owned it), then always been IP
b) What made you think about buying a first property and
My grandad was dumping my grandma, and wanted his half share. Grandma was sick, and I didn’t want them to have to sell the house – it was a nice little 2 bed townhouse
c)When you found the one you bought, why do that one suit?
I liked the house, plus choice didn’t really come into it much
d) Was the first purchase emotive or done under proper due diligence.
Pure emotion – I knew NOTHING[blush2] (what’s changed?[withstupid][lmao])