Has anyone done this seminar and if so can you speak of the results, I don't wish to hear about course content as that's outlined already, more so what you've done with it, the pros and cons/goods bads etc. I'd like to know if people have used the information and strategies, done JVs etc and what the results have been.

Thanks
Matt.

'gday MrFairGo..I'd be interested in hearing more about that.. if the offer is open.. PM me and perhaps I have some information or contacts etc that may be of benefit to you as well.. never hurts to ask

Thanks W4L: appreciate the explanation.. yes I thought I had heard of these types of things occurring before, but wasn't 100% sure we were talking about the same thing, but great idea to bring it 'out in the open' some more. I can see your point on the needs on both sides of the table, and I guess if both parties are exiting the deal with what they want..the no problems!

Please keep me posted, I'd be itnerested in learning more.

Cheers
M007

SeekOptions: You say this "very popular thread" and "tens of thousands of people in it"… if you think this is a thread singing Mark Rolton's praises, I'd suggest you go back and re read it. Have you done any options? Do you have any experience with Massland? Do you have verifiable written proof that Mark has $550Million worth of projects? Have you been paid by him? Are his staff experienced in doing deals having done many of them themselves? *pauses for breath*…oh forget it, I already know the answer…

Nicely asked MIchael 888. That testimonials link is just for people who've done the course and are all still fired up from the 2 day NLP assault, not got an option or made any money out of it. I want to meet and see and hear those that have got options, had Mark do a DA for them and onsell the property, and been paid out. Thats the kind of testimonials I want to see…

Good work. Often its the simplest things that make the biggest difference. I guess if you have the time, as you say the only real cost, to do these things then they pay off in spades when you're done. A diamond in the rough so to speak.
I did something similar to an old IP I had a few years back, cleaned out the yard, lick of paint new carpet (second hand but good condition) I think the total reno came in under 20K (ok not as cheap as W4L but not bad as far as reno's go) and the reval came in nearly 60K more. Not bad for 3 weeks work.
I always remember Peter Spanns comment: new light fittings, door and drawer handles, paint and carpet, don't go for the most expensive or the cheapest, just something that will last a few years and look good during that time.

I'm still interested to see if aaronbyerlee has actualy 'received' and been paid 950K and if Massland actually did the DAs and onsold the options here.. my experiences and those of at least 20 others i've spoken with over the last few years about Massland have been very, very different. To have potentially 950K profit on an option is one thing, but unless you can actually sell it, have a list of buyers especially in this market, and have a DA on it to add value, and have the money in your bank account, the option itself means almost nothing.

Seek Options our opinions have little to nothing to do with with a negative mindset, and everything to do with probity, due dilligence and accuracy of claims made. I think you may need to curb your enthusiasm and come back to reality and start looking for verifiable facts, proven references and so on before investing in any one's course, whether that be massland or others. Don't go throwing money at people who say they are ABC unless they can prove it because most of what they're trying to sell and upsell you on is dependent on their claims being true and accurate. Now – if they aren't true and accurate, what then for your massively profitable future? Gone in a puff of smoke while your 'mentor's massively profitable future looks rosey at your expense.
Education is fine as is ambition. But you MUST, MUST MUST balance that with reality and personal financial safety by doing due dilligence and getting nothing short of written proof of the claims these people make so that if it turns out to be false you have legal recourse against them. Nothing less. Being a 'prophet' and so on is also fine, business doesn't expand without them, but once again, look behind the marketing hype at their reptutations, integrity, the actual facts that make them who they are, not who they say they are.
Peace.

Thanks Michael, appreciate your kind words. I hope what I write helps others in some way. I know the feeling of helplessness you get when you first step out into the game. I still get it, but i'm less helpless than I was!
I figure, and some may agree, its who you know, develop the relationship of trust, deliver on what you say you will, show them you're serious, and good things will come. its a cut throat business at the best of times, but if you can form what iv'e heard termed as a 'relationship client' which is one who brings you repeat business because of a formed and trusted relationship, then your business development  becomes a lot easier and more targeted, with three or four 'relationship' clients, rather than a scatter gun approach with no reliability.
Just my opinions of course…but I've seen it work very well for larger international groups..no reason why it can't work on smaller scales too.

Peace.
Matt.

Hi roxy,
OK, as someone who's done Mark's course, and has been out there doing it, both in a JV with Massland (thankfully one i'm now out of) and in general my advice to you should you wish to pursue this is as follows:
1 – increase your knowledge of developing in general over and above options. Options are great and they work well as one of many possibilities you can use. If you have a library near you and want to know how flexible options are, there is a great book called: "Principles of Land Contracts and Options in Australia", Christopher Rossiter, LexisNexis Butterworths, 2003 (crap referencing I know) but its a good book to really understand options.

2 – Find some good references to learn about development, but more importantly, increase your network of people who are already in the game, doing it, have had successes big or small, find a mentor if you can. Make your contacts in the real estate agents and developers in your home town. these are the people who can help you find and buy deals if you get them.

3 – get some good basic knowledge about business in general. the government small business portal is a good place to start getting your head into the right space to put your plans together if you're going to pursue it. This will come in combination with expanding your knowledge of developing in general.

4 – be patient. I dont' know of too many groups who will do a JV in the style Rolton says he will (and in my experience i haven't found anyone he's done that with but of course I could be wrong). It will take time to develop your networks and find a suitable JV partner out there, there are some, they do exist, but they take time to uncover. And remember the profit split of someone doing the DA for you may or may not be the same as Rolton's offer, although it should be more as his 15% was insulting in comparison with industry standards.

5 – find other forums. this one is great for investment property, wrapping etc, but its not specialised in development. Try searching for other property related forums, somersoft is one..there are a few others around but there are active developers on there who often will answer some questions openly.

Hope that helps.

Hi Attrill and thanks. I don't profess to be a multi-millionaire car-team owning guru, but i'm gaining some experience and having fun along the way, and I Do believe I'll get to where I want to go with the appropriate ethics, work and intelligence. I'm sure others may do so as well.

You're right on with the ideas of using google earth and zoning maps etc, it's one way of finding sites for sure. And you're also right, having access to finance, and more importantly skill sets and networks of the right people to buy these things from you. Without those it'll make it all quite hard.

Best of luck in your journey attrill, and thanks for your comments.