Hi B.J,
The seminar was something I think I needed. Before I went to the seminar I was suffering from analysis paralysis.
Actually I’m still suffering from analysis paralysis but now I am suffering with a much better plan than what I had. I am much more organised and active now. Where before that I was just ploughing through book after book. Which is great, but there’s something to be said for just getting out there and doing it.
For me its not so much the information, because that is available everywhere, and I actually agree with Yak and others on their attitude towards most seminars. I would be hard pressed to go to another one myself. Because it must provide something that I cant get out of books, forum etc.
Thanks for the comments Mini,
I’m interested. You mentioned that you are already doing this. Do you have a good number of deals coming in on a regular basis? What sort of time frame are we talking about? Anyway put me on your list. Of course there’s also the question of, How much?
I know what your saying there Yak,
However, I don’t think experience is always measured in terms of time.
Investor A may have been investing for 10 years and have bought 4 properties and looked at 100 property deals
Investor B: May have been investing for 3.5 years and have looked at over 500 properties and bought 150 of them
Whose got more experience?
– Investor A has in terms of property cycles and changing market conditions, probably
– Investor B has because of the shear number of deals and amount of activity that has been done. Hence good experience in other areas
So why does it have to take 5 – 7 years to become experienced? The only thing I can think of is so you experience first hand (as an active investor) the different moods of the market provided these moods actually do occur over that 5 – 7 term?
Hi Ben,
I went last year and it was hard for me to fork out the cash as well as I am not big on seminars at all.
I think I sat there for about 10 minutes looking at the form on my computer screen with my card number and details filled out before I pressed the send button. []
As far as the course itself went it is very easy to follow, so don’t worry. I think a little too easy; I think it could have been a little meatier.
But I am not trashing it because it was very good and I do not regret going at all.
Steve has allot of energy and he seems very focused and motivated, which is really great.
In order to prepare, if I was you get an idea of the current conditions of the market (raising interest rates, affordability levels etc)
Then when you’re at the course bombard Steve and the others with questions. Don’t feel bad about doing this, you’ve paid so get in there and milk it for every bit of information that you can get and write it all down so you don’t forget any of it.
I met Steve at the last one and one things for sure he has allot of experience. The reason I say current market conditions is because this is difficult information to get if your just starting out (like me and it sounds like you too). There are tones of opinions on this, just do a search on this forum or the Internet.
However, I think that the most reliable analysis of where things are going is from someone who has A. Allot of experience and B. has allot to lose if things go bad.
But then in saying that you still should not take what he says as gospel either in my opinion.
What I am really trying to say is,
Try to get something from the course that you cant get from anywhere else.
– You or your associate sources a property in NZ
– You contact me and give me exactly what details? This is probably the most important question.
– I am then able to do an inspection myself and if I think it looks suitable to me I put in a contract
– At this point I am now committed to the bird dog fee
– I do a building inspection. If it comes back good I go forward and pay you and purchase the property etc
– If it goes bad I pay your bird dog fee and walk away
Have I missed anything?
Also what is Dave’s property secrets thingy that you were talking about in your last post
I’m terribly hung over this morning so please excuse if I’ve asked a stupid question here. [xx(]
Hi Mini,
As long as I can do my own due diligence so that I can get satisfied with the deal, area, property etc then sounds like a great idea. I’m interested. One thing would this be exclusively NZ? or Aussie as well??
The other thing is this section,
And if there was a contract on the place, so you couldn’t be gazumped? And that you could still pull out if your builder’s report or conditions were not met, but you’d only lose the bird-dog fee?
I’m wondering if it would be fair to still charge the full bird-dog fee if the building came back bad?
Hi skidaveski,
I checked this with the FHOG authorities in NSW and I found that one is eligible for the FHOG if all previous purchases have been investment properties and the person passes all of the other details that they require.
However, I would send your own email to them and get a reply from them. Then you have it in writing. This may not be needed but you should not take anyone’s word for it, unless it’s from the correct authorities themselves.
I don’t know what your situation is. Maybe you could use the FHOG live in the property for the legal amount of time and then rent it out. Can’t remember the details now. Check out this site,
Although a profit is paramount. The establishment of a successful joint venture is way up there on the priority list as well. I’m even willing to get a lower return for this first deal. If we can make this work once then I believe that we would both be interested in continuing in the future. Its not that I am in NEED of a partner at this stage but there is a limit to what I can do myself, so with a partner I can get into additional investments.
In the scenario of taking a private loan from the passive investor. Are you saying that rather than put capital(i.e. time/money) into the deal as a partnership, he gives me a loan and I simply give him a set rate of return. I am then free to go off and invest the money as I choose? He gets a guaranteed return with no risk. This puts the onus on me allot more. This scenario could have an effect on cash flow and I am taking all the risk. However, the return, if successful, could be better for me.
Thanks guys. I found this deal; it did not quite make the 11 sec test. So I Jiggled the numbers around a little but it is still not really there (numbers that is). It’s a bumber as the house is in a good location, somewhere I have been looking to invest.
I had Annual Cash expenses at $53.00 per week, a little to high. I also did the sums on P&I @ 8% (safety buffer) at an expected 80%LVR. The current rent seems slightly low but only marginally.
I must admit I am tempted to do the deal anyway. But if I did that I would be investing on expected cap growth and breaking my rules for this type of deal.
MortgageHunter,
If purchase price is say 80K and then 5K is spent on renos then you would expect re-valuation (after reno) to come in above purchase price. So if the re-valuation came in at purchase price then this would be considered conservative wouldnt it? Is this right?
I think your best strategy is to firstly work out what you want. Get some financial and lifestyle goals. Work out what’s important.
Once you have that in place then you have something to aim for. What happens then is you begin a search of what strategies will enable you to achieve what it is you want. You might be thinking, “just give me the strategies”.
But seriously if you get clear on what you want you will begin to know what strategy is suitable when you see it as you continue your education. The reason people can’t give you them is because they are not you and they don’t know what you want.
I think if you asked, what’s a good strategy for capital gain, or to increase cash flow. You would probably get a good response.
Maybe not what you wanted to hear but I hope that helps,
western,
I would have thought that towns of 5000 would be way small and a very high risk. I’ve been looking at 50 -60 000 population size and have not even bothered with anything under 30 000. Maybe I’m being too conservative.
TerryW were are you getting these figures from? I’m looking at $2000 to set up a trust and about $2000 per year in accounting fees for its management. This is without a corporate trustee, which will be another expense later on down the track.
Am I missing something here? I sort of hope I am as your prices look alot better than mine.
Hi Christian,
I have pretty well completed looking into this for myself. Structure is a complex area, you will probably need advice. However, I think that it is well worth setting it up if you want to get serious about investing in property. Also doing it before you start investing is a good idea as it can be very costly to change everything later on and for this reason many do not (or so I have been told).
Probably the main reason for structure is asset protection.
I have heard allot about the book that Terryw has mentioned “Trust Magic” but I have not been able to find a copy. I have seriously tried about 5 book shops and none of them even have it on their database. If you find it let me know. I think I’ll check the web for it today.
Also check previous posts there is some really good information here and there