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    DB could definately be a winner for the right type of buy right now imo.[;)]

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    Hi Mini, one question[:D], you guessed it, why don`t you buy them!, surely you could purchase these at the drop of a hat, they are free houses and like you said the more the better, past debates and all things considered this is a fair question.
    Recently I read an article regarding Auckland tenancies which would put a major scare into anyone investing in NZ.
    In a nutshell, it said rents are dropping by huge amounts due to “fussy” tenants and places remaining vacant for long periods.
    With so many investing there in these CF+ properties already, wouldn`t this translate to the same problem in any area, but especially the cheaper higher yeild areas?.
    If this were happening in a city such as Auckland couldn`t that be a bit of a gauge for the rest of NZ?, especially considering the vaste amount of overseas investors they are now attracting?.

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    I say go for it Blowie!, I have the same opinion of the North of Brissie, especially if prices have only gone up by 80% in the last couple of years, that`s no where near the mark.[;)]

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    One of my bros did this with success, but without the help of the rising market I doubt it would have amounted to anything as of course you are cutting your profits in half which will make it even tougher if prices stall/dive.
    If you are not in a position to do anything on your own it may be a worthwhile plan if you don`t have too bigger expectations.

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    Wouldn`t surprise me at all, and it would lift prices although they will not need much help, Queensland will become the leader in house prices over the next ten yrs imo…why is obvious!.
    Coomera is a great spot and to anyone from Brisbane/Gold Coast it`s been obvious for a long time it will go ahead due to where it is and the availability of land etc.
    Really great acreage around there also.

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    Mini I`m very positive with R/E and merely took a negative break[:D], but do you believe it`s possible for anyone to lose in R/E?.
    Are you the least bit concerned about the greater divide between the rich and poor?.
    Do you see how if too many investors bought investment properties it could become a problem and that maybe the lucky few will survive but the vast majority of these investors could have serious problems.
    Saying R/E investment and financial freedom is easy is comparable to saying relationships are.
    I do believe in being positive in life but just because it`s all gone rosy for you doesn`t mean it will for others, you have an answer for everything, life ain`t like that and neither is R/E and the fact is right now is not a good time for the majority/inexperienced to be getting excited about being financially free in R/E.
    You said I ducked a question but then go on to admit it can`t now be done in Aussie, maybe NZ…then where?. You are recommending that inexperienced investors buy overseas?.[8)][8)][V]

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    Plans have changed Richmond, won`t be going till next week and probably won`t have time to include Woodgate let alone Roma.

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    These replies are great, thanks!, and Elves I can really relate to yours.
    I have run my own business for well over 10 yrs and had huge problems getting loans during one period, it seemed impossible.
    The loans I did get were drawn out battles, most I nearly quit on but thankfully didn`t, that is my strongest peice of advise, if you can`t get a loan from one bank you must find someone who will and don`t get too downhearted!.
    It can be very fickle and specialised, you need to know who to talk to about what type of loan.
    The most important step in PI is when the penny drops and you know you can do all this too if you don`t quit.
    My ex was a complete R/E dummy, I convinced her as a first home buyer, to get the grant and buy a place, having big problems securing a loan, she wanted to throw in the towl many times, but I wouldn`t let her, she would now have equity in the range of $200,000!, it is very difficult and stressful in the face of advercity and rejections (glum R/E agents, even well meaning friends) to keep pushing on in getting that first home loan, it can be like a war, and many times I got loans at the very last option, after months of extending settlement dates, funnily enough some of the most difficult turned out the best investments.
    I look back now and wonder where I`d be if I listened to others and quit.
    It`s a fine line, that why when I hear others say how easy it is I can`t help but question thier motives.

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    Im 38, and bought my first place in early 20`s, but did take a fair break from it, so in fairness probably ten yrs.
    I`ve studied the property market, countless books etc since the beginning but in all honesty really seriously seeking financial independance (didn`t believe I could really do it) for probably only 5 years.[;)]
    Reminds me of one of the first books I ever read regarding success/investing etc, when around 14 yrs old (my dad gave me it), Napoleon Hill the author talking about how long he researched Think and Grow Rich, can`t remember exactly but it was a long, long time, maybe 20 yrs, it may have been double that, in the making lol.
    I`m sure he did ponder for many years how the rich and successful got that way but I seriously doubt he set out to write and intensely research the book that long ago.[:D][:D]
    On a bit of a tangent, something about this book annoyed the heck out of me, it took me many years to figure it out, finally I realised the whole basis of the book was repeated affirmation of orders to the brain, and after he had gone to great lengths to explain how very little is known about the human brain!, meanwhile he was one of the richest men in America primarily from a book where the results totally depend on a central theme he freely admits to not having the foggiest idea about, go figure!.[;)]

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    Originally posted by richmond:

    how close are you to getting to where you want to be markpatric? Considering the length of time you’ve been investing you must want a pretty expensive PPOR :)

    cheers
    r

    I have been investing a fair while but I spent a lot of money along the way, and made business mistakes early on, but my ppor should be worth between $500,000 and $600,000, it would take a little luck but I could almost own it by christmas. (touch wood)
    Once I hit that point I will be in a good position to do renos fulltime, but probably only three a yr.
    That`s my short term goal.
    But once I`m there I`ll take a big deep breathe and probably take a break from R/E for a while.
    Today actually was a big step toward this goal, by chance I ran into a excavator operator who was in the area and all of a sudden he is currently doing the driveway and right up high on my acreage where there are some magnificent veiws, and it`s being done so cheap I still can`t believe it. He got to about half way in a day, it`s transformed the block like I never thought possible!.[:o)][:o)]

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    I agree with Kay and Rebecca 100%, it is too easy to become a repulsive type in R/E, I go through stages of investing but always double check my state of mind along the way, you just can`t constantly seek out maximum dollars all your life, you need to get some comfort and find other interests, in fact I would like to buy into some form of business and get right out of it in two years.
    Money is important but good family and friends are far more important and the idea of hanging out with successful types in order to further yourself makes me want to chunder to be blunt about it.[;)]

    PS. bdsm =Buddism??

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    Thanks for the info I might go and have a look there late this week as I`m going to Rocky and Bundy.
    If I get there I`ll give you what info I can find out.

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    There is a lot of options but that would depend on where they are, whether you own or rent a home, whether you have a high income job etc etc.
    I would guess keep them if you can, maybe build on one and rent it/live in it, sell the other 2 in 9 months.
    Maybe sell two now to pay off the one likely to grow in equity the most, and keep it to build down the track a bit, live it a while sell it and pay no CG tax.

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    Originally posted by richmond:

    Mark,

    Reading mini’s latest post, does it make you change your mind about anything? Perhaps admitting that what you thought couldn’t be done, in fact, can be? And it is possible to do things to increase the rent, like add air conditioning etc… plenty of people have done it, as I’ve done myself.

    cheers
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    Yes you can do this of course, but to depend on this to make a property more CF+ would not be a good strategy imo and if you had a hundred houses you may do it with ten, but rents can drop and no matter what research you do some places could be untenanted for long periods which is fine if you have equity/money in reserve. It all sounds great on paper but in reality it could put many in trouble to follow this plan imo.
    I have quite a lot of investing experience 15-20 yrs and I`ve had success with everything I ever bought in PI but I would not be terribly confident that this plan would work in reality, but probably more so it`s not really what I want to be doing for a living.
    Renovating complete bombs is my thing, by that I mean actually doing 80% of the work.[:o)]

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    My whole original argument which you have ignored all the way through is that an investor starting out now would have trouble, not someone like me or you who has had a win or two, but even then you are suppporting a theory which you haven`t even tried.
    I never meant to upset you but the heehee etc made me a little annoyed.
    You sounded arrogant, there are other ways in which to make IP`s work with good success.
    The comment about expert/beginner is plain jibberish.
    Why are you now worried about my spelling?, I mean I am a high school dropout who cares, I spell purrrrty good generally.
    It is unusual for me to be the negative in the argument regarding IP`s, this is far from my general stance.
    Regarding the shed I never said it could not be done I think I inferred that it would not be common that you could make this kind of rental gain from some simple improvement, most tenants live week to week and can have a rough time paying rent on time as it is.
    You make it all sound so easy even in the current market for a beginning investor, and that is dangerous info to give imo.
    As far as being a landlord, yes I am a landlord but I don`t see that as my be all and end all, if my tenants have problems…fine I buy houses to renovate at present generally a yr or so after I buy.
    Who said I was not finding deals?, I am.
    I just don`t follow any get rich quick formulas and don`t believe there is a certain way to riches through real estate or that just ANYONE and everyone can be financially free via R/E.
    I`m just wondering what the fallout will be in the next few yrs having so many PI`s, is the time approaching where there will be a period of many untenanted properties out there forcing the vast majority into large losses?, maybe interest rates will rise way beyond what we perceive to be “high” by reasonable standards.

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    Originally posted by BEAR1964:

    yes kay in tassie u would get a renovated house for under 50k easy.

    In SA im finding several from $45,000k but at that they need about 5k spent on them. found one house for 50k needed nothing doing to it. so yes they still around. The thing about Tassie they small town , not small town in SA tho.
    b/w 50-60k can get a house in preety good shape in SA

    Regards Bear

    Hey Bear, what is the tenancy situation like in these houses, are there many homes on rental lists?.

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    I don`t buy and hold for my reasons that I do not have ambitions of being a landlord, for any amount of money.
    Like I thought Mini, you haven`t done it!, you have done almost identical to what I have with the market!.
    Do it first, then tell the world it was that easy, in the current market!.
    As far as CF+ properties I know they are there, but to buy properties in Tassie or NZ is not a risk I will take, vacancies can run into much longer periods than you allow for.
    Why do you think it is this investor is selling his 80 CF+ houses?.
    You can`t tell me the ol renovate and lift the rent nonscence, this is a fallacy, I am a tradesman (multiskilled) of 20 yrs, sure it can be done but rarely, no tenant would be willing to pay an extra $5 per week for a shed unless it was a necessity.
    Most work costs money and will not lead to higher rents, and also you do not feel the least bit opportunistic by charging these people like a bull?, you are merely sinking to the level of a hard money lender, but at this rate your the most cunning around on the occasions you can swing it.
    The way you talk about vacancy rates reaks of an amateur Mini.
    More truths rents do NOT go up every year, interest can!.
    With places such as Tassie and the like prices can remain stagnant for many years, try 15, 20.
    Of course you can do it, I know people who have but in the current market with little or no equity, forget it!.
    Good enthusiasm though.

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    That was a long read, I`m not sure what your argument is?, but you are basing everything on buying before/during a boom, you bought at the right time.
    You cannot do this now full stop!, especially with no equity.
    If you had $500,000 it would sure help though, you could undoubtedly make money still, but it would be impossible to find this many CF+ houses in the condition you seek and with a $2500 payoff every year, this borders on lunacy!.
    To find +CF properties is a difficult one it can be done but the bar is being raised to the point where you are in areas likely to have all the problems I mentioned, you said you allow for this, how?, and how many years is it going to take to build an empire when prices are stagnant and you run out of equity.
    Have you not built your portfolio on the market moving upwards?, perfect conditions?.
    Sounds like you`ve done well but it`s like the renovation craze, once the market stops there will be precious few renovators making a profit, and a lot of not so experienced PI`s scratching thier heads and having a tough rethink.
    I do still invest but I only have 2 IP`s and they are bottom of the market in great locations.

    The bottom line is I don`t believe there is the incentive in the current state of the market to assume you can become financially independant by buying CF+ properties as a inexperienced investor armed with very little if any equity.
    Do you disagree with this opinion?.
    One question, do you fix interest rates over long terms?.

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    So are you saying you would give a deposit but not do the contract till the inspections are done?.
    With regard to cooling off periods, I don`t see the point as you still have to pay a certain % if you use this clause(in Qld), unless the contract is unconditional most would use Finance or Building/pests reasons and get the deposit back in full anyhow?.

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    Originally posted by Pisces:

    Go ahead and hope Richmond but, whatever you do, don’t hold your breath.

    Even if ‘your’ town is the chosen area it may take who knows how many years for the project to come on stream.

    Pisces

    I find this post a little overly negative, after all anyone that bought in Rocky has bought undoubtedly at the bottom of the cycle, and for those that bought the CF+ cheapies there is really only one way to go, but thankfully all my eggs ain`t in one basket….this time.
    Rocky doesn`t have to “boom” for the investors to win, this horse doesn`t have to win the race just catch up a bit and move up a few spots, but I`ve seen it before when a place reaches heights few can imagine, if that should happen, at this point it could mean financial freedom for PI`s like myself.

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