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    Opinder, 

    Your price point is right on the money. 3 minutes north of the CBD for one bedroom units or 20 minutes north for 4 bedroom houses and you will be in the sweet spot. 

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    The Newbie Investor wrote:
    Wow thank you Mark the information you shared is awesome, I understand now , its a matter of doing the right homework before you buy, so off the plan could be great if it features everything you have mentioned so there is really no right or wrong answer , its really up to the knowledge of the investor or buyer? Same goes for existing properties if homework is bad same problem?? Am I on the right track on mind frame atm??

    Hi The Newbie Investor, I am pleased you got something out of it.

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    Off-the-Plan or Pre-Built? New or Old?

    Do the research and let the numbers tell the story, and then you decide. If we could find finished stock in the areas that rank at the top of our list we would be buying them all asap. Finding stock is always our number one problem and there are no short cuts when you use the research method. 

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    Nigel Kibel wrote:
    A lot of it comes down to what sort of income you have and what you can afford to buy. Frankly in Australia if the property is positive in many cases the growth will be low. If you are going to buy a property which is negatively geared then you have to make sure that the capital growth is strong enough to cover your losses.

    Nigel Kibel, you are clearly not in the same property market as the rest of us. Our clients are getting at least 5.2% Yield + 8-12% p.a. Capital Growth

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    Hi Warren, 

    I think you are severely compromising your strategy based on lifestyle considerations. You could pickup a solid investment property with far lower overheads, positive cash flow and great capital growth potential, then just rent a short stay property exactly where you want to be each time your are here.

    This would provide you with a far better NET return in the long term. 

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    Well done Jamie M,

    They are the best gift in life, I pinch myself, my two (22 & 6) just make me happier and happier, I love watching them as go out into the big wide world and do well.  

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    It's all in the due diligence. With a market place full of rubbish your job is find the winners. There are around 250,000 properties listed for sale today, of those 1000 would make a great portfolio investment.

    We research the market looking for the 1 in 250 property using the rating system we have developed. The system rates each suburb using each of the 40 sets of market data we collect. Most of the data we buy, some we collect off the web using various automated methods.
    From here we score a potential suburb out of a total of 1000 point, 500 points for Statistical indicators and 500 points for Fundamental indicators. Each category is weighted according to it's importance in the demand v supply balance.

    We then break these 40 down in four groups:

    • Current Demand Drivers
    • Future Demand Drivers
    • Supply Drivers
    • Amenity Drivers

    A shortened list of a few of the data sets collected as follows:

    Statistical Indicators

    1. Number of Days a house/unit in the suburb is on the market –  The lower the better, this shows a higher demand for that type of dwelling in the area. If the number of days have been decreasing over the past six months this is even better
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    2. % of vendor discounting – The lower this number the better as it shows that buyers have less choice and less ability to negotiate. It also indicates a suburb could be in high demand
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    3. Auction Clearance Rate – The higher the better. Higher numbers indicate a higher demand
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    4. Rental Yield – The higher the better as it indicates a higher demand in the area from renters who are prepared to pay more to live there.
    5. % of Stock on Market – The lower this number is the more demand a suburb has and the higher the chance of getting a premium for the property is.
    6. Online Search Interest – Takes the total number of online searches in an area and divides this by the number of properties available for sale in an area. The higher this number, the more potential demand the suburb has and the lower the supply in the market is to for fil the demand
    7. Rental Vacancy Rate – The lower this % the better it is for investors and the more demand a suburb has
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    8. Proportion of Renters to Owners – The lower this number the better a suburb’s perception is. Owners have a tendency to look after their properties a little better than renters and therefore lift the perception of an area’s quality.

    If these metrics combined give us a rating that indicates the demand is exceeding supply (market is imbalanced), then we move onto the fundamental searches to validate the statistical data.

    Fundamental Indicators

    1. Proximity to water/ocean.
    2. Views of hills/mountains/district/CBD etc
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    3. Transport Infrastructure – Recently announced, in progress or to be shortly started that will reduce commute times to the CBD and increase demand for a suburb.
    4. The ripple effect of close suburb neighbors – If suburbs within close proximity have grown substantially recently, the chances are that the subject suburb will grow quickly in order to maintain a pricing balance between the growth suburb and the subject suburb
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    5. Project Booms – Are there any large projects nearby that will create a spike in demand (eg. train lines, water supplies, shipping ports, processing plants)
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    6. Ugly Ducklings – Has the suburb been branded rough or ugly in the past and the only problem with the suburb is its reputation? Are private buyers updating their properties in the area? Are developers buying up new land and building new apartments? Are businesses and trendy cafes entering the area now?
    7. Urban Renewal / Government Works – Has the government put forward a proposal to improve the appeal of an area (eg. parks, malls, entertainment, shopping precincts).
    8. Lifestyle Features – Are there any current or planned lifestyle amenities nearby like golf courses, large entertainment precincts, tourist attractions?

    If those two searches reveal that the suburb is a potential hot spot, then we drill down to find the best streets within the suburb and find developments within close proximity to those to give the best chance of fast capital gains.

    The data houses like Residex, RP Data and SQM Research provide data that fluctuates greatly but is best used as a potential source to gather suburb shortlists for investigation from. The issue with these data providers is that they don't provide past recommendation data, making it hard to gauge their actual performance.

    Stopping the trend of a suburb is of particular value when deciding whether a suburb is worth fundamentally investigating. For example, it is no good going off to investigate a suburb that has been growing at 15%p.a. for the past 5 years. Like everything in life, when one area gets too expensive, people will compromise on the next best cheaper alternative until the prices of surrounding less desirable suburbs catch up.

    There is so much more that could be written on the topic, but these items will give you a basic template of what you can use to instigate your research model for superior returns of investment properties. 

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    I use a Surveyor for this; you will need an Architect and some engineering plans too. All very easy, start with all of those three BEFORE you talk to the Strata Committee or you will create a bunch of extra work as everyone runs around talking a lot of hearsay and creating you a whole lot opposition.   

    Go to each of the Strata Committee members with the plans and deal with them one at a time. Don't be any kind of a hurry, listen and ask them what they are worried about and tell them you will get one of the 3 listed above to answer their concerns. It works, trust me I have learned the hard way. 

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    Your personal circumstances are key here. What percentage of your NET worth is your Super?

    How many years to retirement?

    How much exposure to property do you have outside the SMSF?

    If none, why inside SMSF and not outside?

    What likely mix are you looking at within SMSF, Shares, Bonds, CFD's, FX, etc..

    How much cash you hold outside Super?

    You need real FP advice before diving in.

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    + 1 Freckle

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    Familiarity Breeds Contempt is the old saying: Learning to always respect the client and not get sucked into worshiping the dollar is a lesson that takes an incident like this to learn.

    We have all made the mistake of taking someone for granted, in this case it was their clients and publicly, it has worked out to be expensive for Nathan & B invested, nobody likes loosing a client though bad service. I am sure that at heart, B invested are trying to do the right thing, sometimes when you take you eye off the ball and the dollar signs are flying around you can get arrogant, I am very pleased to hear Nathan called you, it shows Nathan is willing to face up and repair the relationship.

    I am sure there were a few changes at B invested after this happened. 

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    Hi Jeff, 

    There are approximately 250,000 properties for sale across 15,000 suburbs in Australia. Of those properties you could say 100,000 are possible investment options. In reality only around 1000 properties on the market today would make a great investment property for you to hold in your portfolio. So the trick is not to buy one of the 249,000 other properties on offer.

    The only way to find the right properties is by researching the market and knowing and clearly defining what you are looking for. So knowing your strategy and having your strategy clearly defined is absolutely key. With a clear strategy you'll have mastered 75% of the loss making issues you will encounter when building a portfolio. 

    <u>To say buying Off the Plan is not a good portfolio strategy is completely unsubstantiated nonsense</u>. I have very wealthy clients with 10, 20, and 50+ properties in their portfolios who have been buying Off the Plan continuously for 15+ years and they do know what they are doing. I have a couple of clients that buy one property every 60-90 days Off the Plan.

    But don't get me wrong, if you buy one of the other 249,000 properties on the market for sale right now you will be buying a dud, and nobody wants to be doing that, an Off the Plan property or otherwise. Buying from a marketer company would one way of nearly guaranteeing that you are buying a dud.

    When clients call me for help (for a portfolio rescue) they invariably have been dud'ed by a marketer company sometime in the past. I have one new client right now, who has 4 properties bought between 8 & 12 years ago. The best property is just gone positive cash flow (after 12 years) and has grown by 30%. The other three properties are still cost them $450.00 per week. They are both 55-ish and are starting to get scared that they wont be able to afford to retire. In this case they blame their accountant for telling them to go and buy a "Negatively Geared Property", what their accountant forgot to say was "in a high growth area". Our research shows that the average negatively geared property needs to grow at 8-8.5%p.a. to be a profitable investment. 

    Aim to buy into a area that's going to grow, buy the property the rental market most wants to rent (our research shows it's most likely to be four bedroom houses & 1 bedroom apartments), buy the affordable product and not the most expensive. There are less renters as the rents get higher.

    Buy for Yield (to hold your asset), Growth (to build your wealth), Tax credits (to increase your portfolio's efficiency) 

    • Principal Place of Residence is all about Location, Location, Location
    • Investment Property is about having the right Strategy, Location and Product

    This forum is loaded with good people with a lot to offer, ask the right question and you will get the right answers.

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    When you buy an Investment Property, your ability to keep saving for your next property is not reduced, however when you buy a PPoR your costs go up and your savings go down for a quite a few years.

    To grow a portfolio you need to continue with your savings while your investment property's equity is growing. If you have bought well, your investment property equity will be growing a lot faster then you can possibly save. Once your portfolio gets to 4 or 5 properties, you can then turn your attention to buying a home for yourself.

    My mother, who was a great property investor told me " it took me 10 years to make my 1st million dollars, but only 3 years to make the 2nd million". She bought her first investment property age 50yo and went on to buy 20 more over the next 15 years.

    – See more at: https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/help-needed/4348869#comment-297545

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    Good on you for making a start.

    You are on your way, now is the time to set a few 1 year, 3 year & 5 year goals. Keep them simple and write them on a piece of card to keep in your wallet.

    Goal setting is so, so important, That's my best advice

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    My suggestion would be to look at focusing on one strategy for growing your portfolio and become an expert at managing that. 

    I like a simple balanced strategy, by getting the benefits from a combination of a strong rental market, property growth and tax credits.

    Look at sourcing property in areas that tick the following boxes: 

    • High rental demand areas. In the early to mid phase of the life of a portfolio I just use yield to maintain the debt (focusing on high yield areas that turn out to have low long term growth can be a wealth building disaster)
    • Areas that have major growth drivers to create long term capital growth to build equity and wealth
    • New assets to access maximum tax credits to maximise your after tax income (and to keep your accountant happy)

    Even with 100% debt, you can find all three of the above giving you positive cash flow in the current market and a $20<>p.w. negatively cash flow if you are fixing the rate for 3-5 years. These areas have the ability out preform the national and state averages, putting you at the head of the pack.  

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    Most new property investors don't realise this very import point: Your portfolio is at it's highest risk when you have less than four properties and your LVR is over 75-80%.

    According to the ABS, 85% of property investors don't buy a second property, 93% of property investors don't buy a third property.

    Take your time when selecting your next property, we see it time and time again, buying a dud 2nd or 3rd property is a permanent portfolio stopper and often requires taking a lost to get out of. 

    • Number One Goal: Preserve cash.
    • Number Two Goal: Build equity. 
    • Number Three Goal: Continue savings plan.
    • Number Four Goal: Continually reduce your after tax debt.

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    Carpet Beetles wont eat Solution Dyed Nylon.

    With over 140 properties under our belts Dave & I have found through trial and error the best carpet is "Solution Dyed Nylon". It stays cleaner, It stands up straighter for years longer then Poly-prop and other fibers. Wool is the best for your own home, but only if you look after it, but Solution Dyed Nylon is the by far the best for rentals. Polypropylene is rubbish and looks terrible within two years or three months after it's first steam clean. Poly Prop is manufactured with an oil in the fiber that is removed when cleaned and from then on Poly  Prop holds dirt, as well as crushes down quickly. Add to that Poly Prop always looks cheap.

    A good foam underlay in important too. You wont need to change a foam underlay for 15 years and a Solution Dyed Nylon Twist Pile carpet will steam clean better then anything else and look like new every time. Rubber underlays flatten, fall apart and can cause your carpet to age much quicker.

    Most, if not all stains will come out of Solution Dyed Nylon Twist pile with a steam clean. I have carefully trimmed burn marks out of Solution Dyed Nylon Twist Pile carpet with a pair of scissors and left the carpet in for another 5 years.

    Don't install Loop Piles, Pattens or light colours. I have found loop piles damage far more easily and it's hard repair pulled loops and runs, aim for a Twist Pile and darker then a coffee stain is a good idea too. I make the carpet the darkest colour in the room with the walls a colour lighter and the ceilings always white.

    Tenants LOVE carpet in bedrooms and it makes the house feel more live-able for them. After all they are your customer when you are a property investor.

    As a price guide: You need to be paying around $140-180 per broadloom meter (3600mm wide). At those prices the cost of Solution Dyed Nylon is working out to ONLY $39 -$50 per square meter, quality carpet is still your cheapest floor covering. 

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    Property investment plan = No

    Helping family out = Yes 

    My advice is to pay their mortgage for them with your rent and keep saving to invest elsewhere. They will be in a better long term position (by not having to pay you rent in the future) and you will be in a better position by not confusing your property investing with buying a PPoR for your family. I hope this helps?

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    It might be time to think about sorting out your portfolio's financing. In your position you should have all your properties setup so you are able to access maximum equity with a minimum of admin and time delay.

    I would also advise you to consider working on a strategic portfolio plan as part of your over all wealth strategy. A good property investment advisor should be able to help you do all of this. 

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    On a new investment property build, I recommend to my clients to install 300/300 (mm) ceramic tiles to the Kitchen, Dinning and Hall. Then Solution Dyed Nylon carpet to the Media, Lounge and Bedrooms. The upside of this layout method is the carpeted rooms are not connected to one another. This lets you change the carpet in one room with out having to change it all or have a mismatch area that looks obvious.

    I believe best carpet (and I own over 100 carpeted rental bedrooms) is "Solution Dyed Nylon". It stays cleaner, It stands straight up for years longer then Poly-prop and other fibers. Wool is the best for your own home, but only if you look after it, but SDN is the by far the best for rentals.

    A good foam underlay in important too. You wont need to change a foam underlay for 15 years and a SDN Twist Pile carpet will steam clean better then anything else and look like new every time. Rubber underlays flatten, fall apart and can cause your carpet to age much quicker.

    Most, if not all stains will come out of SDN Twist pile with a steam clean. I have carefully trimmed burn marks out of SND Twist Pile carpet with a pair of scissors and left the carpet in for another 5 years.

    Don't install Loop Pile, Pattens or light colours. I have found loop piles damage far more easily and it's hard repair loop piles, aim for a Twist Pile and darker then a coffee stain is a good idea too. I make the carpet the darkest colour in the room with the walls a colour lighter and the ceilings always white.

    Tenants LOVE carpet in bedrooms and it makes the house feel more live-able for them. After all they are your customer when you are a property investor.

    Vinyl planks and ceramic vinyl tiles are great too in kitchens and hallways if you are retro fitting flooring. You will need to have the plank flooring stripped and re-coated every 3-5 years between tenants, this is no big deal. Try not to lay vinyl planks in the sun if you can help it, they can fade, but not badly. Vinyl planks and ceramic vinyl tiles are really, really durable. Even when they are old they look better then sheet vinyl flooring. Vinyl ceramic tiles are the  best, but can be a bit pricey. You keep a couple of spares and if one get badly damaged by a removalist or the tenant, it's just a case of warming it up with a heat gun and lifting the old one out and replacing it.

    I laid timber laminated in 10 units 7 years ago and I now know (the hard way that this product is rubbish in a rental situation. Bamboo is very hard wearing, but it hates water, warning! Timber floating, Bamboo and solid timber goes in the same category as quality wool pile carpet, all great but not in a rental. Just too hard to look after. They all last longer, look better and work out cheaper over the life of the product, but only if you look after them.

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    Xdrew,  Great analysis of the area fundaments. Reading your review, an investor can see how off the mark Cairns is as an investment hot spot. However, I was in on a conversation with some developers, they were talking about a Chinese owned casino development proposal with a rail link to the Cairns Airport. The land has been bought for the casino and the rail corridor. This is one to watch, but don't move on it until they start turning the soil, as these things can take up to 10-15 years to get off the ground.  

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