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  • Profile photo of Manic SquashManic Squash
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    Well Kay,

    I’m possibly being a little bit elitist or esoteric in my views and my opinions – sorry if I am!

    The All Blacks have just lost to the Wallabies so I need to sedate myself with more alcohol and convince my wife that profanity is part of the normal act of losing – she should know this given that she is a kiwi herself!

    Mind you she seems to be content with making babies and leaving wealth creation up to me – but she’s never short of an opinion on how WE should spend MY hard earned money!

    That all said, again, I’m sorry if I sounded discriminatory, but I still stand by my comment, and say that you (Kay and others at this forum) are not ‘average’ if you want to succeed and achieve financial independence….. let the debate begin 

    Later…. Squash

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    Hi Mini,

    Not about wining the debate but rather about sharing the opinions and generating enough wealth to support our desires and goals in life.

    I don’t think for one second that the ‘average joe’ would frequent this site, and believe that those who post show the deeper desire to grow and achieve financial independence.

    I believe that I am still a novice at creating wealth and have a lot to learn, especially from ppl like you mini.

    Anyway, thanks for the nice words, and from reading your bio you weren’t’ involved with the kiwi band ‘push push’ where you? Outsell MJ and U2 – you have me stressing my poor brain to think who that was – must have been my heavily sedated period whilst in the army doing naughty things….

    Later…. Squash

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    Originally posted by MiniMogul:
    > Whilst I’m pleased that you picked up a good deal and there are still many
    > more to be had, I’d be careful and ensure that you do your DD

    Okay…

    Whilst it didn’t come across the way that I intended it was more of a general comment for forum members.

    Originally posted by MiniMogul:
    > as I have several mates / family in the RE biz in NZ who are sooooo happy that ppl from Oz are buying without looking at the IP’s –

    define ‘look’

    Good point – I define look in the context of performing due diligence. Whilst I’m new to IP as part of ‘my’ wealth creation strategy I’m certainly not new to the discipline. In short I’m referring to doing the necessary homework to ensure that risk is minimised to a tolerable level and that possible outcomes of investment decisions are understood. I’m not trying to lecture you or anyone but just share an opinion that I believe in :P

    Originally posted by MiniMogul:
    >like stealing candy from a baby

    Sounds like you don’t approve. well, tell your family and mates to stop it then

    My family certainly aren’t in the business of ripping ppl off – well not that I know of. Everyone has a right to make a profit, but there is a fine line, so yes, you’re right I don’t approve of anyone ripping ppl off but I’d be silly to think that it doesn’t happen, even with us harmless, beautiful looking kiwi’s :p

    Originally posted by MiniMogul:
    > Also be careful as some Ozzies are buying at slightly inflated prices –
    > example one old school mate told me was how a couple from Brisbane brought a 2
    > bedroom unit for $75k in a wee town and the vendor’s reserve was $44k. GV was
    > $39k and rent well that depends on the season as the unit was never rented and
    > the area only really has farm / seasonal work. Maybe they’ll get someone!
    > Moral… be careful

    Look, while I appreciate you trying to educate me as to the ins and outs of buying in NZ I would bet my ass that you don’t have any properties there yourself.

    WRONG! In fact our family business which I am apart of have 6 IP’s, 4 which are commercial developments in Wellington and Christchurch, the other two are residential IP’s elsewhere in NZ :P

    Whilst I’ve never been involved to any great degree in the selection and management of them, my MONEY does go into the business and it’s investment strategies. Outside of the family business I don’t have any IP’s in NZ, hence recent posts about tax implications for me personally, not afraid to ask a dumb question.

    Originally posted by MiniMogul:
    I have heard all this kind of *stuff* and more for a year, ever since I started buying there – from people who don’t really know, other than by hearsay. memory is selective. if you don’t have properties there, you will only hear and remember the horror stories which support your market position (out of it! -you don’t speak like someone who is in the market.)

    I see your angle, HOWEVER, I’m not saying don’t buy NZ IP’s just passing on a point of view :o

    Originally posted by MiniMogul:
    I, however, am in the market. So I have a different ‘filter’. I filter out hearsay stuff from people who don’t invest (and therefore have no clue even though they think they do.)

    I’d be careful in what you’re saying there as my time in business has taught me that people who may not be directly in your line of work, business, or share your same insight, strategies can still add immense value, but your comment about filters is extremely valid. But you already now this – right, so I’m really just reinforcing something that most ppl already know.

    Originally posted by MiniMogul:
    >Oh, and yes whilst NZ is small, remember all things are relative!
    Like, that there are some things bigger than my ass?

    I don’t know is there?

    In summary, you do what you believe is right for you, I’m however open to listening to other views and I’d hope that other ppl would reciprocate on a ‘public forum’ like this. I think healthy debate is good as it gives us an opportunity to validate or invalidate our beliefs and strategies.

    Later… Squash

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    Originally posted by MiniMogul:

    It is in NZ and 30k from a major regional town of 44000 where the property managers managed it from, as well as other properties in the small town

    It is a few Ks from the sea

    By that description I’d say that your major town is Wanganui and Palmy Nth is your Int’l airport. As a side note it might not be classed Int’l if proposed customs legislation goes through with mutal border control between NZ / Aus.

    The lower west coast of the Nth Island is going through some good times as my olds just sold their home in a lazy beach town which is an hour and half from Wellington. The brought it for $68K or thereabouts in 97 and sold it for $193K.

    Whilst I’m pleased that you picked up a good deal and there are still many more to be had, I’d be careful and ensure that you do your DD as I have several mates / family in the RE biz in NZ who are sooooo happy that ppl from Oz are buying without looking at the IP’s – like stealing candy from a baby.

    Also be careful as some Ozzies are buying at slightly inflated prices – example one old school mate told me was how a couple from Brisbane brought a 2 bedrom unit for $75k in a wee town and the vendor’s reserve was $44k. GV was $39k and rent well that depends on the season as the unit was never rented and the area only really has farm / seasonal work. Maybe they’ll get someone!

    Moral… be careful

    Oh, and yes whilst NZ is small, remember all things are realative!

    Later….
    Squash

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    There’s no business like show business…

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    Thanks Derek

    Exactly the information that I was looking for.

    Much appreicated… Squash

    Some think that this life is a rehearsal but I’m telling you that it’s the show baby!

    There’s no business like show business…

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    i could help with you with comparing melbourne to wellington as i’ve lived in both cities for over 30 years in total… if that helps?

    Some think that this life is a rehearsal but I’m telling you that it’s the show baby!

    There’s no business like show business…

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    Hi all,

    something that you might be interested in…

    http://nbr.infometrics.co.nz/column.php?id=928

    these guys now their stuff as I had some dealings with them back in NZ in 98/99. I’m not a doomsdayer … but we don’t want to be Lemmings now do we?

    Later…
    Squash..

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    Agree with you guys ,westan, pepper and oscar about focusing on what you can control, doing the necessary due diligence and putting a fudge factor element into your calculations for contingency.

    If, however, we’re going to talk world politics and do a bit of crystal ball gazing then here are my thoughts.

    US will continue to struggle to gain the dominance in the world markets that it once enjoyed – it should have been careful about what it asked for – Globalisation! Corporate governance legislation like Sarbanes Oxely and social issues are forcing US corporations and ultimately the economy to take a more risk adverse approach to business strategy – more focus on the urgent and not the important.

    My biggest concern is that the Australian government isn’t doing more to develop closer economic relations with our northern brethren – China and India are the fastest growing economies in the world and there is so much opportunity for us as a nation. A lot of commentators feel this but aren’t empowered to set policy. I realise that this is a complex problem, and cultural and political values, beliefs and issues prevent a simple solution but I don’t believe that developing such a strong reliance on the US is smart. We need to be innovators, spatially aware and not be sheep or worse lemmings to the US.

    …I’ll stop my rant there.

    Squash

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    Hi Kay, firstly thank you for the welcome.

    I didn’t take Monopoly’s comments personally and I think that sometimes its good to hear stories from the trenches – like a reality slap as after all this is not Monopoly (sorry no pun intended) money we’re playing with. It’s important to hear these different points of views and sometimes, as I am often guilty of, we can lose our point in being too polite.

    Squash

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    No drama’s Jo, I’ve got rather thick skin so I didn’t take it personally. I’m not shy of having an opinion [reminds me of what my mama use to say: opinions are like a*seholes, everyone got one and most of them stink :)].

    I guess that’s the benefit of having a forum where individuals with an interest in PI can share ideas, thoughts and experiences and hopefully learn from each other to better minimise our risks and maximise our opportunities.

    I feel I’ve done a fair amount of research into PI so far and I’ve learnt one thing – I know jack all. You’re spot on about me being enthusiastic, maybe too enthusiastic in that I should spell and grammar check my posts before making them :)

    Seriously, I’m new to PI (as mentioned previously) but already I enjoy the human element as my investing to date has been in the share and money markets with both neither have the same level of human involvement.

    Anyway I’ve babbled enough… enjoy the rest of the day

    Squash

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    Fare enough Monopoly, I respect your view as I’ve never had such a situation occur to me and hope it never does. I can only imagine that it would be extremely painful to experience.

    I guess that’s the beauty of the world that we all have different views and opinions for different reasons.

    My final take on this is that the tenant is a vital element in successful property investment. That said I’m not advocating you invite them around for xmas but making them feel respected can’t help whether that be through the PM or through direct contact.

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    my $0.02 worth

    I work in IT and consult to c-level management and often hear our clients and prospects complain that we fail to listen to their needs and foster partnerships. Whilst I’m new to property investing I will be utilising a number of disciplines and lessons I’ve learnt in my investment diversification adventure.

    My main claim to fame in IT consulting is business risk management around the IT security space e.g. hackers crackers and all that wonderful Hollywood stuff with Hugh Jackman :)

    Seriously it’s all about reducing your risks to a tolerable level. Whilst we can’t always successfully foresee the future and how our tenants might be, I think that there are several key steps that we can take to minimise the threats to our investment.

    Like everything in life there are inherent risks, but with people I think that good social science and common respect goes a long way to protecting our investments, especially when it comes to something as personal as residential property investment. I do like the idea of rewards and or incentives; we all like the carrot and not the stick – right? What I might add is the need for us as investors to listen carefully to our customers and understand what their ‘unique’ needs are, and better understand what our intangible responsibilities are. We’re all looking for a point of difference aren’t we?

    Summing up my waffle:
    Do onto others as you’d have them do onto you,
    Investment made in knowledge and curtesy is a cost effective way to minimise our exposure to threat sources like rouge tenants.

    Later..
    Squash

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    hi all,

    just got the word that my offer has been accepted. First IP – woo-hoo!

    Later..

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    Hi all,

    I have crunched all the numbers and it came out +ve and as such have placed a first and final offer with 30 days settlement subject to finance.

    Hope this is a winning bid, but if not, then I walk away and its back to looking :)

    Everything that I have looked at in this town is doesn’t work, so maybe to NZ I go???

    Thanks to all who provided me with their advice
    Later..

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    Thanks Yack,

    I should have mentioned that I have been doing my DD and am not going to make an offer unless I can get out of it.

    Subject to finance is not an issue as the bank has already given me pre-approval and the building is brand new and has a 7 year warranty. That said, I guess it would still be best practice to get a building inspection done.

    My rationale behind such a condition (subject to completion of DD) is to give myself an out should something not be right (I always forget something).

    Cheers,
    Squash

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