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    Hi Kent- Could you please provide examples of suburbs where you believe future train stations are planned? Are you talking about the rumoured light rail that might be built to connect universities to the CBD or are you talking about future heavy rail lines (e.g. proposed airport rail link in the 2031 transport plan?

    I am curious as to where you think the future rail will be.

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    Hi Chen,

    Cherrybrook is a nice suburb but in my opinion I wouldnt buy an investment proeprty there. The houses are big, the blocks are pretty big, but I am not sure if there is much opportunity for sub division, development or value adding. I think the yields are low and you would be forking out nearly a million dollars for a low yielding property which could destroy your cash flow.

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    Seeing as your cashflow is tight, then Jamie might have a good point about waiting for a liittle while as there is no point over committing yourself, expecially when rate rises in the next 12 months are not out of the question.

    I would also like to say that I don't think $1m is a lot of debt, so that figure shouldnt be something to stop you from buying investment proeprty.

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    Luke

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    Yes, but basement construction is a lot more complex than above ground construction. If you are building close to the boundary and there are existing multistory buildings on the neighbouring properties close to the boundary then you may need an expensive retaining system during construction. If you are not planning on building close to the boundary and the neighbouring buildings are single level, then it would probably not be a complex basement and it would be much cheaper.

    It is just hard to put a figure on how expensive a basement is without knowing how close it is to neighbouring buildings and what the ground conditions are like, so the extra $80 might not be enough.

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    I meant I don't have a lot of experience in putting prices against construction costs, only the comparative costs between different types of construction.

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    Hi Wisepearl. Constructing a basement adds a lot of unknowns. If you are dealing with a high water table and neighbouring buildings being close by, then you might need an expensive watertight basement wall. Even if you don't have a high water table, then you will need some kind of temporarary and then permanant basement wall.

    I can't really comment on your numbers because I don't have a lot of experience, but an extra $80 a square meter wouldnt go far if you are building basement carparking on a tight site.

    There can be a lot of risk with below ground construction and when shoring and/or dewatering are needed- it is just really impossible to put a figure on the cost of a basement if you dont know the ground conditions or what the site and neighbouring byuildings are like, It is like asking a builder for a quote to build an office building but not telling him how tall the building will be.

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    Why would your company want to own a residential investment property? Is residential investment property a part of the business?

    I would probably se up a seperate company and trust to purchase properties in if I were in your shoes, so if your existying company went bust there would be some level of protection for the property.

    And also, why do you need to keep these particular properties? Would it be possible to purchase other, possibly better, properties in the SMSF and new trust or is there something special about these two properties that you own?

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    tonyc00 wrote:
    Hi

    What are the downfalls for a 90 day settlement? By co-incidence I'm in a similar position – I've made the 0.25% deposit on Monday, to be followed by a 10% next week, and the vendor has requested settlement is mid May.

    I see an upside in that the property is slightly negative geared therefore I get any capital growth between now and mid May, whereas I don't have have the operating expense (negative gear) in owning the property for that period.

    I guess one downside is that my 10% deposit is accruing interest for the vendor (in a trust account) over that period (when in theory it could be earning interest for me in my bank account).

    Alternatively stated, if you have borrowed the deposit money then you are paying interest on it whereas there is no rent to offset the interest cost. In that case if it was a really long settlement period then it may be cheaper to use a bank bond.

    But other than the valid points made by fWord and Terryw, I can't see any other downside.

    Any other thoughts, please.

    Many thanks

    Tony

    Doesn't the deposit money sit in a trust account and interest gets split 50/50 between the vendor and the purchaser?

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    Kent Cliffe wrote:

    Geographic supply constraints similar to Sydney.
    http://www.planning.wa.gov.au/dop_pub_pdf/mrs100_2007-Nov-29.pdf
    * look at the hills to the east.

    Hi Kent- Interesting post but one thing I do not agree with you on is the geographical constraints of Perth. While Perth has hills to the east, I dont think the constraints are anywhere near as much as Sydney.

    Perth has hills to the east which constrains urban sprawl, but there are still large tracts of undeveloped land to the north-west (Waneroo and Midland direction) and also the south and south-west (Cockburn to Armadale).

    In contrast, Sydney is constrained by Botany Bay and the Royal National Park to the south, Holsworthy Military Reserve and National Park to the south-west, and the Hawksbery River and numerous National Parks to the north and north-west. The only areas of developable land where new housing estates are being released are in western Sydney south-western of Sydney and north-west Sydney, between Campbelltown/Camden and St Marys and then north towards Rouse Hill and beyond. If you have ever been to Sydney and driven around, you will know how far away from the CBD this is- a minimum 40 minutes drive (assuming no traffic which is rare!!) or 1 to 1.5 hours on public transport.

    I believe that this is the reason why Sydneys property market is so resiliant at the moment- there is not enough land available in close-ish proximity to the CBD (within an hours drive) so values in inner and middle ring suburbs are holding up well. Compare this to Perth, where you can buy a 400-500m2 block of land in Wattle Grove for $260k which is a 25 minute drive to the city (with no traffic- Perth has little congestion compared to Sydney) and you can see the geographic constraints in Perth are much less significant than in Sydney. Other areas of newly developed land that are available (e.g. Atwell to the south or Beachbro to the north east) are all within 25 minutes drive of the CBD- I dont really see much geographical constraint on development in Perth at the moment.

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    You would need to get council approval which would mean satisying the BCA. If you give the local council a call or drop in and see the twon planner I think they would be able to help. You would probably need to get plans drawn up and submit them for approval.

    Some of the things you would/might need to satisfy arE:
    -Building setbacks
    -Ventialtion
    -Fire rating and fire escape
    -Electrical safety
    -Structural certification (footings, roofs, walls etc- but a builder would be able to do many of these themselves if you got a builder involved)
    -BASIX- not sure about this one, but I would think there would be requirements for wall and roof insulation at least

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    If you give them a call I wopuld think they would quote.

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    Hi- Stacey Surveying would be the guys to call then, they sound like they really know what they are talking about when it comes to subdivicions. Just so you know, I do not know they guy but I am on these forums all of the time so I have read quite a few of Ashleys posts.

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    rbugno wrote:

    Hi Anandd,
    I'm interested in finding out the numbers in your project.  How much will it cost & what rental can you get?  How will it reduce your mortgage and by how much?  I have a property coach from RESULTS Mentoring and that's what i reckon you need before you get an architect!  A coach can help you research the numbers to make sure what you want to do will actually help reduce the mortgage (instead of cost more than you recoup in rent) and can help you work through the town planning process.  I've found them incredibly helpful in all of the property decisions I've made and they massively reduce the risk in doing a project like you are…. and you'll be certain of the numbers & your anticipated profit before you start.  
    You might even realise you can repeat the process over and over again and make more money!!
    Check out   http://www.resultsmentoring.com    if you're interested in finding out more.  They're in Mont Albert which is pretty close to you.

    Are you from Results Mentoring by any chance? That was quite a first post!!

    Seriously, I doubt you need a mentor- this type of project is not that difficult. It would just involve talking to council, or maybe getting a planning/development consultant on board. there is a guy on here who posts quite a bit who is from Melbourne- I think his company name is Design Hub or something like that.

    Also this guy posts quite a bit and sounds like he really knows what he is talking about when it comes to subdivisions so I am sure he could help you out:

    Ashley Stacey – Director / Senior Surveyor
    Subdivision Services | m. 0400531138 | e. [email protected]
    http://www.staceysurveying.com.au | Montrose, Victoria | 7 days

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    I havn't read the enture thread because it is so long, but will read the rest this afternoon at some stage. I just would like to point out that anyone who bought a ouse in Perth in 2003 and 2004 at leat doubled their money due to general increases in property prices in Perth. I do not want to offend anyone, but lots of people who do not know the slightest about investing made a lot of money in this time but this does not mean that they are property gurus, they just happened to buy at the right time. Of course there are lots of people who are very knowledgable in regards to property who made money in this time.

    My point is, is just becuase someone made money by buying a house and land package in 2003-2004 in Southern River does not mean that you shoudl do something similar. I personally would not buy an investment proeprty in Southern River- there is lots of land around, lots of new estates going in, and hardly a shortage of property in the area. You might find that people who bought property in more inner ring suburbs such as Mount Lawley, South Perth, Vic Park, Floreat etc have seen their properties increase by mroe than those in Southern river (as a % of the value), and find that the price decrease from the peak is less in these areas compared to Southern River.

    Anyway, those were just my thoughts and I thought I would jot them down, will try to read the rest of the thread soon.

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    I have read a few good books:
    -Trust Majog by Dale Gatherum-Goss
    -How to Legally Reduce your Tax by Ed Chan & Tony Melvin
    -Family Trusts by Nick Renton
    -What every Property Investor Needs to Know About Finance Tax and the Law by Micahel Yardney

    These books are quite good and cover lots of things. The questions you asked relate to the fundamental principles of how different types of trusts work and so you might be well served by having a read of these books to help you understand how they work, what you can claim, and how your personal finances and tax relate to the trusts finance and tax.

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    Luke

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    Hi,

    If you are working in Port Healand and you are smart with your money, you will be able to save some serious money in a relatively short amount of time. If I were you I would be saving everything I can and waiting for a year or two, reading lots of books and talking to people who invest in property (people who ACTUALLY invest in property i.e. own 5-10+ properties and do developments/renovations, as pretty much everyone who owns a house will claim to be a property investor). After a year, you will hopefully saved up a LOT more than the $20k you have now and you would be well placed to buy a property to get yourself started.

    I am assuming that you work in the mining industry and have your accomodation provided!

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    Paullie wrote:
    Accountant told me losses can be carried forward indefinately.

    You should consider how much your wife is going to earn when she returns to work, and when in the financial year she intends to return to work.

    If you incur for example a $5k loss on the property for the next 3 years before she returns to work, then from what I understand the total loss of $15k would be tax deductible in the first year she starts earning money. If she earns only $20k in the first financial year she returns to work (e.g. works for the last 3 months of the financial year on a salary of $80k a year), then her taxable income would reduce from $20k to $5k and so you would get hardly any benefit from the negative gearing tax deductions. If she eared for example $100k in her first year back from work then the $15k in deductions would be much more uselful.

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    I am not a valuer or finance professional, but:
    -If they are on the same title, the valuer would have to value the units as one. If the units can only be sold in one line, then they would have to be valued in one line
    -If one side of the duplex is in terrible condition, then the vlue would be brought down by that unit as they are being valued in one line. Even if it is cosmetic, it would be hard to sell if it doesnt look appealing. The banks are always concerned about hopw much they can sell the units for if everything goes pear shaped and you stop paying the interest bill, as they need to limit their risk.

    You could try ringing up a valuer in the local area to ask them to give you their opinion on the valuation if you need a certain answer.

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    The value would cetainly be lower for a dual accupancy compared to a subdivided block, even if the second dwelling you built is exactly the same in both cases. It is easier to sell two houses on seperate titles compared to two houses on the same title. I would also factor in the flexibility that you would have with the sub-divided option- you would be able to sell one house and keep the other if you subdivided, however you would need to sell both if you went with a dual occupancy.

    Would it be possible to talk to a registered valuer and pay him to do a valuation on the two options for you to help you decide? In my opinion, the fee you would pay the valuer would be money well spent if it helped you make the correct decision.

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    boney bream wrote:
    Thanks for the advice!!

    I read on here once that gifts to the tennants are tax deductible?  I did give my tenants a bottle of bubbly and a carton, as they have done some great things to the place, do I just keep the receipt for tax purposes?

    Hmmm, interesing. I suppose that you technically should be able to, but it might be hard to convince the ATO during an audit that that case of beer and bottle of wine was given to the tenants and not drunk by yourself. Would like to hear other peoples opinions though, as if you can claim this type of thing easily enough I will be telling the ATO I give my tenants cases of beer all the time and keeping the receipts.

    I guess your accountant would let you know whether you should claim it or not. If the property was owned in a trust structure I guess it would be easier to claim as the trust should be treated like a business and at arms length to the beneficiaries (i.e. you).

    Cheers,
    Luke

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