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    if you sell you will give a lot of your capital gains to the government as tax.
    not so if you use equity to borrow for more properties.

    Just work out how close to the wire you want to gear yourself.

    Cashflow positive properties on fixed interest loans would negate most of the limiting concerns you put forward.

    But you will have to look at all the aspects of your life family, your income, your GOALS (VIP), your stress levels (SANF),

    [:D]


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    ZEN TIME,
    Who learns more? The student or the teacher?

    One of the final stages in learning anything is the process of explaining it to someone else.

    Why deny people this opportunity to reinforce what they know.

    Or, in my case a lot of the time, attempt to explain something that I misunderstood the first time and have someone correct me. (I apologise for any infuriation I have caused playing accountant in the legal/accountant section).

    Yeah I know that you shouldn’t give people financial advice lightly [devil]but if you are fool enough to take info gained on a forum from a stranger you don’t know from a bar of soap with a cartoon face and a strange collection of letters as a name, then there is a bigger life lesson coming than beleiving incorrect info and not checking it out.

    I say ask away.


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    I think that a lot of people who take the long slow road don’t even try a shorter path. There are lots of easy to find reasons to NOT HAVE A GO, such as:

    Too many stories of get rich schemes and “A Current Affairs” con men and the like is enough to scare the peoples majority off anything faster than a 45 year super retirement plan.

    Heck, the lottery pays big and is a nice easy risk so why try anything else that would leave your balls swinging in the wind.

    And while we’re at it, bills are hard enough to pay so why even bother risking extra cash in something that is not MONEY BACK GUARANTEED 100%, I mean a set of steak knives comes with this, so why would i risk money on anything like shares……oooo risky.

    Hang on, I can get a loan for a big shiny new car and a plasma TV today, or risk everything on property or shares for some benefit years down the track?

    THERE ARE LOTS MORE.[wail]

    I began an apprenticeship at 18 in an old power station and worked with blokes who had been working all their life in the dust and heat for a pittance. All of them had struggled to pay off their own house and still did not have much retirement money to fall back on, and I asked all of them when they complained and moaned if they had ever tried starting a business or investing with a goal to get out of the 9 – 5 rut.

    All of them had an excuse and none of them had tried more than once or twice to set up a financially free future.[blink]

    $1 a day invested and compounded sensibly since they started work and they would have a million bucks plus!!!!![cool4]

    I think the ones that have a shorter path to success, simply persisted with their desire to become financially free despite the knocks and setbacks that life ALWAYS tests you with!!!!!!!!!!!

    o000o…………[bike2]

    (I’m loving the bike smilie, it is like a symbol of the fast road to success


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    Geeez Shaunwalker,
    Prepared to go to war and lose sanity. …..Was it worth it looking back?

    Ozi,
    Yeah, I think your determination will pay off.


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    When first looking at the ad, it is priced at the same as a LOT of other 3&4 bedroom houses on your search.

    Maybe plug the long term lease a bit more on the ad and really push the flash interior on the smaller thumbnail buyers will glance over while looking through the realestate.com pages.

    You may have to drop the asking price if the market isn’t interested.

    Maybe research a bit more as to the kind of target market that would buy such an investment.

    Get another agent?


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    They all seem about the same figures. I would probably look at the quality and long term prospects of your tenants and also the house which would probably be up for maintainance sooner (older house)

    Which has most depreciation and of course which is the most desirable location for people to live.

    [biggrin]


    May all your dreams come true. (except for those evil dreams and maybe that dream where you had no pants on in school, oh, and that other dream with the invading martians and the……………)

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    Seems reasonable, You are better off not paying any CGT (if it can be argued as your PPOR) than paying CGT as an investment property. I wouldn’t argue with an accountant who is reducing your tax.
    If you are really worried, get the accountant to put it in writing with names and rulings they used from the ATO.
    The tax office sometimes give different answers.


    May all your dreams come true. (except for those evil dreams and maybe that dream where you had no pants on in school, oh, and that other dream with the invading martians and the……………)

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    Brahms
    What sort of property? = newer house zoned rural on 60 acres.
    General area? = about 10 mins from a large regional centre. 1 hour from eastern melbourne suburbs.

    why you bought this one over others etc. It is surrounded by 5 acre blocks (subdivide and conquer) and local town has a growing industry.

    I am sure that people will soon realise that living in these rural areas have benefits over city (traffic, crime) and that the cost to buy is heaps less than anything similar in city.

    Thats great dianne, more properties for everyone.

    go for it broome


    May all your dreams come true. (except for those evil dreams and maybe that dream where you had no pants on in school, oh, and that other dream with the invading martians and the……………)

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    Thanks Jo,
    You are sweet.

    And i was very careful when I read that and managed to avoid burns, bruising and pink eye safely.

    [:D]


    May all your dreams come true. (except for those evil dreams and maybe that dream where you had no pants on in school, oh, and that other dream with the invading martians and the……………)

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    Put the following info in your clients signed letter ( you can post it for them)

    full name, DOB,Drivers Licence Number, Current residential address, previous addresses in last 5 years, current/previous employer, name of organisation most recently applied for credit, contact number.

    Oh, and another good one is to visit them at their home to see what they are like. (hey. ask the neighbours…but I didn’t tell you that).

    If all else fails hire a private detective.

    May all your dreams come true. (except for those evil dreams and maybe that dream where you had no pants on in school, oh, and that other dream with the invading martians and the……………)

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    I found the following out the hard way, I hope you have better luck

    Police Checks – $27 – from local cop shop takes two weeks

    Thelandlord.com.au for blacklist checks for private landlords costs $100 per year(or if you know a real estate agent property manager get them to check the TICA database.) takes 1 minute. Make sure you help this database grow by listing any bad tenants!!!!!

    Send Baycorp Advantage a letter with all clients details and ask it to be posted to you. They will probably post it to client but it’s the only way (free) takes three weeks.

    Get a signed letter from clients or agents may not disclose private information (just fax it through)

    Oh… and if you want info from housing commision then get client to request a letter of good standing and a statement of account from the person they deal with there.

    Good luck

    May all your dreams come true. (except for those evil dreams and maybe that dream where you had no pants on in school, oh, and that other dream with the invading martians and the……………)

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    Hi Mayneiac

    Allow for the extra repairs you will need to do to furnishings. (especially appliances….6 new fridges, 6 new washing machines, 6 broken couches.

    I will give you a lil’ help doing your sums on first property (you must learn maths to be a good investor!!!!!)

    COST(based on 20 % loan)

    $225000 price +(5% closing costs)

    =$45000 deposit+$180000 interest only loan from bank+$11250 closing costs

    INCOME

    ANNUAL RENT – VACANCIES FOR YEAR (say 80% for flats)

    $450 * 52 * 80%
    =$18720 for year (conservative estimate)

    EXPENSES

    Interest on Loan 6.5% * $180000 = $11700 pa
    Ongoing Bank loan fees = ?
    Council Rates = $3045 pa
    Water Rates = ?
    Excess Water Charges = $750
    Insurance = $800 pa
    Real estate agent to manage properties = 9% * 18720 = $1684.80
    Repairs = ??????? (very important, how old is property etc. etc.)

    TOTAL EXPENSE = $17979.80 pa

    So you are making a Cash on Cash return of.

    (Income – expenses) / Total Cash out of pocket

    ($18720 – $17979.80)/($45000 + $11250)

    $740 / $56250

    1.3% positive cash per annum (not including repairs and thats at 6.5% loan not the 8% you spoke of. I agree with Terry, I would only buy this if the area was a strong growing area.

    Try doing the sums with your deposit amounts for the two properties…..post them online and we’ll have a look.

    It looks neutral geared to me at 225000.

    If it was a far out country town with little prospects I would offer $150,000 to make it a nice little positive cashflow investment of about 10% return.[greedy]

    May all your dreams come true. (except for those evil dreams and maybe that dream where you had no pants on in school, oh, and that other dream with the invading martians and the……………)

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    I love all the market discussion, there is so many different ways to look at it.

    I read somewhere a description of market prices:

    The market is unpredictable, on some days the market gets excited and thinks its goods are worth more than they are[:D]. On other days the market is pessimistic and thinks that the goods aren’t worth as much as they are[cry]. But if you buy something based on it’s actual value, then you need not be worried by the unpredictable emotions of the market

    Yeah I know it’s a bit simplistic and that a growing portfolio is given a big help by valuations above purchase value which depend on the market.

    I am personally excited that we are entering a buyers market where sellers have to be open to different sales scenarios and negotiation.

    I know the recent boom may look to burst in the face of history,,,,, but when in the past has the underlying finance companies (which make the purchase of properties so affordable) ever been so competitive and offer so many different options.

    Of course there is all the baby boomers looking to retire by selling their homes to fund retirement (but I read somewhere that the average retiree dies shortly after retiring)… so suddenly the deceased estate distributes more deposit money to the benefactors of the will and the boom takes off again.

    And what about the governments problem of dealing with so many people on centrelink handouts, the ratio will soon be 1 working person to 3 or four people on handouts (as opposed to 40 workers per pensioner back in the industrial boom days),……….unless they send our retirees off to Iraq to fight they are going to have to find a whole lot more workers(China?).. so these people will need homes too.

    So many things can happen to sway the markets moods.

    I am just trying to buy properties that are priced well for their worth, not so much determined by what the future market is doing.

    Rental yields and areas with increasing housing demand are the keys.[:D]

    May all your dreams come true. (except for those evil dreams and maybe that dream where you had no pants on in school, oh, and that other dream with the invading martians and the……………)

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    But you are right, market is what I paid for it. So technically I should have worded it… purchased for a lot less than the current asking price on similar (much smaller land area and with older buildings) properties in the area.

    May all your dreams come true. (except for those evil dreams and maybe that dream where you had no pants on in school, oh, and that other dream with the invading martians and the……………)

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    Yack,
    Thanks for taking an interest in my activities.

    I didn’t mean to talk the deal up too much, It was just a good feeling at the end of the day to acheive something that I was personally proud of. and I just wanted to share it….that was all.

    Thanks for the perspEctive.
    [biggrin]

    May all your dreams come true. (except for those evil dreams and maybe that dream where you had no pants on in school, oh, and that other dream with the invading martians and the……………)

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    I explained a ato wrap tax ruling and even gave a topic id number and ruling from ato records. My accountant still felt compelled to charge me to find out something I already knew. [blink]

    I plan to do a lot more wraps, so I am too considering a change.[eh]

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    Well they accepted our offer ($30k under asking…) time will tell the end outcome at settlement.

    PG, thanks for your help.[biggrin]

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    Tough situation,
    If it has been valued at less than the purchase price. It might be best to cut your losses and walk. An actual market sale straightaway would probably be less than a valuation anyway, you’d also lose transaction costs and repayments while finding a buyer.

    No point frantically buying something for 300,000 that can only be sold for 250,000 just because you have already thrown 30,000 (deposit) at it.

    If your friend has been swindled, maybe see VCAT or some tribunal, or at least have a lawyer write a strong letter with the intention to go to court. You may get deposit back.

    If it was me, I would look for a buyer BEFORE you settle, and have them sign on the deeds, this would avoid double stamp duty. When it gets to the stage that the penalty interest is just too much, and you can’t find a buyer….then you gotta walk.

    Thats about as much as you can do legally.

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    OK,
    Thanks for everyones suggestions and help. We are hoping to settle on a price tomorrow subject to 80% finance being approved.

    I’ll let you know how it goes, I’m meeting agent and vendor in person and am hoping to negotiate a sweet agreement for all.

    [:D]

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    redwing,

    show me a sentence (any sentence), that can’t be taken out of context when removed on it’s own.

    “show me a poor person with a good attitude.”

    ……. was followed by

    ” i came from poverty and i know poverty does not change until it changes its ATTITUDE,”.

    It would seem that resiwealth used this particular belief to rise out of his financial situation to a position where he could perhaps do more for the world. hey, look at Oprah.

    “Oprah could not do those thing without money”.

    I know I personally feel a little helpless as I become more and more aware of the vast suffering that goes on, and then have to plod off to work just to live. This is one of my major motivations for striving for financial freedom, so as to maximise the effect of my time and effort (and money) for the bettering of the world.

    And an earlier post by resiwealth.

    “my brash comment comes from fighting the negativity of people always knocking success”.

    Sometimes I see topics in this forum that begin as a communication problem, and then turn into a slinging match or a “i’m right” contest.

    But I will conceede I may be wrong, I would like to announce “That I know nothing for sure, and that anything I believe firmly in may be completely wrong” …feel free to quote me in the future.

    :0)

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