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    "Heard" is an OPINION.

    To be a successful investor you need to LISTEN to opinions, but research and act on FACTS.
    As you keep educating yourself and researching the market, you will be able to analyse areas more quickly.

    For example; statistics say that both Melb and parts of QLD are the faster growing economies in Aus. So, based on this, both areas are potentially good. Pick one and focus very hard on it until you know an area very well and can identify a good deal when it appears. I know two guys who only ever buy properties in their own suburb. They know it backwards and have done very well.

    At the moment you seem unfocused and without a real plan. Try to formulate a plan, select a general area, then narrow down the possibilities.

    Your plan may be to buy subdivision prospects. This works well in areas that are going up in value especially, and you will need to have favourable council requirements, bigger blocks etc.
    Your plan may be to buy and hold, so you may want better rent returns, tax benefits and long term growth. This will determine you area selection.
    Your plan may be to buy, reno and hold, so you need to find run down properties that will appreciate, have good rental returns and long term growth.

    And so on. What is your strategy going to be?

    In either State, look for areas that are being gentrified, or going through a transport upgrade, or new malls, schools, near parks, employment, beaches, or new families moving into the area. These sorts of factors indicate improvement and probably good cap growth prospects.

    This is a basic rule of thumb for virtually any area you choose. People want to live in or near good places and within commute distance to work. It's basic human need. Stick with this starting point and the rest will come.

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    Agree Andy;

    keep some funds available to buy some of those bottomed out stocks and some more property before the smart stock market players get out and start pumping up the property market when they start putting their money in property.

    I read an article by Bill Fleckstein from MSN money the other day. He said the current economical climate in the USA (and the world I guess) is as close to the lead up to 1929 as he has seen.  He was predicting another possible "major correction". Of course, anyone can predict a market crash; it's inevitable, but when? He thinks sooner than later.

    Interestingly, I had just finished reading a biography of the years leading up to The Crash only a few weeks before his article, and I was thinking at the time "gee; this current economic climate seems very similar to the conditions leading up to The Crash".  True.

    Can we both be right? One of the biggest factors at the time of The Crash was everybody's attitude to the future. Everyone was in a state of denial – the good times will never end.

    Unfortunately they did, and they ended very hard and very fast.

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    I'll have a crack at explaining this in plain English. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    It means; don't buy two properties – one good one and one dud one.
    Instead, buy 2 good ones that both keep going up in value.
    Possibly, buy in different suburbs, or different towns or different states to improve the chances of consistent cap growth, and minimising "all the eggs in one basket" so to speak.

    Of course; this is far easier to do with property than scares (sorry; shares) anyway.

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    Have you got the message yet Pete?

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    Generally people sit on their wallets for a little while after an election until they see what the govt is likely to do (mostly nothing except protect their jobs as much as possible), so you may find the market will go flat for a few months, maybe a year I suspect.

    Having said that, if Johnny gets back in things may just keep plodding along as before. We can only hope.

    They have PPoR deductible debt here in the USA, but they also pay around 1% property tax every year. This will be just another "creative" way to get people into property who really can't afford it, and who have run out of options with finance. The carrot will be dangled; "you get a tax break on your mortgage; get into property!"

    I don't know that it is a great incentive to have PPoR deductibles unless we can avoid the property tax that no doubt will go with it. And of course, you can bet the Govt won't take away council rates with the new tax. It'll be a double tax.

    If this happens, the nett result will be an initial boom as everyone trades up to take advantage of their new deduction, but when the realisation hits that the overall holding costs will be as high or higher than before after all numbers are considered, there will be property slump I'm tipping as the holding costs of owning a property will outweigh the perceived benefit of the new PPoR deductible.

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    You're right Jaffasoft;
    this morning the internet genie left me a nice present.
    Thanks Steve's tech crew!

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    devo76 wrote:
    Barramundi mate. As far as development in the future.We dont really want to retire to a sleepy village. We just want to buy into one at this stage and then by retirement it has developed a bit and has shopes ,cafes,Some attractions, I guess like noosa would have been ten years ago or even now for that matter.Anywhere up to cairns would be good. There must be some untapped coastal areas between say noosa and cairns.

    I think you missed my point there Devo;
    I was talking about going out to find the sleepy hollow now; within striking distance of the main towns, that will become the future attraction and future cap growth property for you.
    I reckon it would be good to take a couple of weeks or so to travel up and down the coast to seek out that place and have a nice holiday in the process.

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    You're right J;
    I was talking about the home page actually; where it shows just the latest active/hot topics.
    I noticed when I went into the separate forums it still allowed me to do that.
    This is one extra click – I'm too lazy.

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    Hi Renabelz,

    first, can I ask you why you intend to sell in 5 years?
    Selling costs and capital gains tax eats into the profits, and you lose out on a lifetime of capital gain that you would get if you
    keep the property.

    If you are going to sell, the property would be better off in your name as you will be earning very little income compared to your husband, so your capital gains tax bill will be a lot smaller after the sale.

    On the other hand, your tax deductions will be a lot less if you buy it in your name – for this purpose it would be better to have the property in your husband's name as he will have a much higher taxable income than you. The tax savings for you doing it this way can be significant over a number of years.

    You may be able to buy the house in your name, but have the loan in your husband's name. This way you can have your cake and eat it if you choose to sell in a few years. The only problem will be getting security for the loan if your husband's name is not on the title. The Bank may want to use your PPoR as security for the new loan, but will there be enough equity in it to satisfy the Bank's exposure?

    It would be advisable to talk to a property savvy accountant to work out the best strategy with this.

    In my opinion, only buy property to never sell. This means the capital gain factor is non-existent and the tax deduction factor is important, making it easier to work out the best strategy to use to buy.

    Continually buying and selling property will possibly give you a short term income, but won't build long term wealth.

    I would prefer to see you buy an I.P, hold it for a while and when the equity improves use some of it to buy again and so on – keep adding properties and your wealth will grow exponentially.

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    I preferred the function where you could run the cursor over the original post of the thread and the little box opened up to show you what the content was.
    It would be good to have that back.
    Also, as a suggestion Steve; renew the news and ads for the different products and seminars etc more frequently. it starts to look a bit stale when the news is a few weeks old on the homepage. or, better still, have a news topic.
    Otherwise it is good.

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    Is that Barramundi or Barracuda?
    I don't think you could really go wrong within an hour – hour and a half from any main living area right now. Eventually the sprawl will catch up to those areas to a degree and send the prices up.Trouble is, it won't be a quiet little hideaway then.
    It seems the whole world is moving to QLD; a bit like L.A.
    How about spending the next 2 week holiday touring up the coast to find the next undiscovered spot? Get in on the ground floor.

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    Jase and Flic wrote:
    Hi
    we just bought a reno house- our first of this type. Very excited. The full story is on the Adding Value forum.

    Hi guys,
    would be willing to put some projected numbers/budgets/time-frames etc on the thread for us to read. We may be able to help cut a few expensive corners on the new project for you.
    I love this stuff.

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    Thanks Ming; here to help and/or annoy people.
    Don't know which one I'm better at.

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    One of the I.P's I own was spotted in an area that no-one seemed to have noticed. It looked good to me, but because there was not a lot of interest I kept thinking "what is wrong with the place?". It was classic second-guessing.
    I ended up buying it anyway and was very nervous about it; wondering if I had made the right decision.
    It turned out that I did, thankfully.
    If you have done your research and you believe it is a good future area for investment then go ahead. Trust your judgement and commit.
    No-one ever got ahead without taking some calculated risks.
    I grew up in Deniliquin, NSW and used to drive through Wallan every couple of months on the way to visit the folks. I know that it is now within commute distance to Melb and is going ahead gradually. Go for it.

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    Most people have to work hard, save, sacrifice and do without to get their FIRST property, whether it is a PPoR or an I.P.
    You have no kids and two incomes.
    If you knuckle down and be patient you will buy your first one soon enough – year or two.
    Most lenders will lend up to around 90% with LMI these days, so you won't have to save too much to get a foot in the door if you set your sights on a relatively cheap first property.
    It may be a neg geared I.P or a PPoR; either way you are in the game, and if you select well, your property value will go up fairly quickly and then you are on your way to no.2, then no.3 etc.
    The process can be exponential.

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    The 11 sec rule is:
    multiply weekly rent by 52 (weeks),
    then multiply the total by 100.
    The result is the purchase price for the property you should pay.
    This is a rent return of 10%, and in most cases would result in a pos cashflow; but not always.
    There are more factors to consider such as the outgoings from the property and the loan interest, but 10% is a good starting point.
    Good luck finding one.

    Having a decent deposit will help the numbers a lot.

    A few things to remember;
    1. never take anything an agent says as gospel. Add lots of salt.
    2. get finance pre-arranged so you know what you can spend, and as you say; the right type of loan is important. See a good M.B who is property savvy.
    4. make offers to buy with "subject to" clauses – finance, building inspection, pest inspection. There are details with these clauses that need to be added to protect you, and can be discussed later. If you already have finance approved you don't necessarily need the finace cluase, but some investors put it in anyway as a possible "out" if the deal turns out to be smelly.
    5. pick an area and study it very closely until you know the local values well.

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    First of all, can you spell "enough" correctly?
    The English language is like, being eroded away at a frightening like, rate as it is, without these Americanised text-style spelling mutations, like.
    This is not a cell phone.
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

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    Hey Anita,

    good to hear you have an automatic tenant.
    Be careful that when fixing the rate on your loan you won't be incurring any fees to change it back should you wish to, otherwise fix it for the term you mentioned and let it go the distance.

    Living off the equity is something we do ourselves – not totally though, as I am a bit of a conservative investor – I am very risk averse, so we stay well within the supposed average yearly (or historical) price increases. I work on property values going up by a conservative 5% per year (I think historically it is around 7% or so), and we use well below this.

    Of course, to get to this point you have to keep acquiring property that keeps going up in value; if you sell it you won't be able to live off the equity.

    Many people don't do this – they acquire a good performing investment property, then they sell it after a few years, spend the money and have nothing left to show for it and lose out on future cap growth.

    I think it comes back to that old mentality of you must become debt free. I don't have a problem with spending some of the equity, knowing that the value is going up more each year than I can spend.

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    I agree F;
    if we can advise people of the potential dangers as well as the way to success then we should do it; telling others of the not so good news may save a few financial disasters along the way.

    The outlook may  be gloomy, but you can be prepared. It's like looking outside and seeing a gloomy sky; you take an umbrella.

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    I've owned units and houses that have done well. I think a generalisation will be very inaccurate as it depends where the property is, what size, condition, rental or resale demand etc.
    One thing is for sure though; the cheaper priced units will always be easier to resell and rent as there are far more renters and buyers at the lower end of the scale.
    This doesn't necessarily mean they will do better as an investment; it just means they are a more "liquid" investment than houses as a general rule.
    Select each one on it's merits.

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