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That thing is a beast, they probably were going to make it into a duplex if there was two meters. The plumbing and electrical will be expensive to replace if u have too. That and it will be lath and plaster, always a pain in the butt to work with. I hear the taxes are high as hell in New York also. I agree with Jay though, to much for somebody to take care of over seas. If u have a good team in Rochester it would be worth looking into.
Here is one for ya:
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4129-Forest-Ave-Kansas-City-MO-64110/2340572_zpid/
Went and looked at this one last week. Had a new roof on it, probably needs about 1,000 in plumbing, new furnace 1,000 (small house) and maybe another 1,000 for cosmetics. Bank of America will take 3,000 and it will cover closing and the real estate agents fees. I don't get to crazy with cosmetics cause tenants are hard on houses in these areas. So I'm in it for about 6,000 and it will be tenant ready in about a month. Property taxes are around 300 and insurance is 200, that's the average compared to my other rentals.
So lets say u rent it for 8 to 10 months at 550.00, cause i see 8 to 10 months mentioned a lot for low income areas. On average it's about 10 months for me and that's with me doing the property management. It seems the biggest problem is the property management most of the time not screening good enough and trying to nickle and dime you for repairs. A lot of horror stories i hear sound like they could have been avoided if they would have put more time in getting quality tenants. I haven't had an experience yet were the tenant trashed the house and left thousands of dollars in damage, most of the time there deposit covers there wear and tear. You just HAVE TO SCREEN them good and not take the first goon off the street.
These types of houses are a gold mine. Play it safe and get one for 45,000 and rents around 900 lets say. Nah, I'll take the chance and use the money i would invest in the safe house and get 6 or 7 low income houses and make close to 3,500 month.
I agree though, unless you have a good team here. Not something for the OZ investor.
Posted for all us inner city landlords (slumlord, such a crude word, lol)
Kyler
Lets have some fun with this
Could you humor us and tell us where this house is and how u found it? There has been many a time i rolled the dice and score big with these hood houses.
Trash flows make me more money than any other projects that i have. One mans trash flow is another mans gold mine!
It doesn't look like its worth 500 bucks
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This is the part i found that investors would be interested in, all the rest sadly is not something as a foreign investor i would want to be a part of. I took most of my money out of the market before the dot com bust. Paid for most of my school that way, now i wish i had that money i put in school that i could put in properties.
You should put that on your business card Engelo.
Lol, gotta love these forums
If your not from here or really know what i have established all u can do is speculate. Have u been to Kansas City? Well i have been to Detroit and Memphis and there is a major difference in the rental markets. If i was like everybody else spruiking on this forum i would sell it for 30 to 40K. I do the same deal as i do for people in California, about 20,000 to 25,000. Why be greedy when u can set up repeat business and everybody is happy. These cash flowing properties are great and in the end i make more in the long run with them then renovate and flips. Yes, flipping is still something u can do if you know your market well. You can say all u want about problems down the road, but if your tenant proof your house from the beginning u won't have these problems. If they are tearing your house up that much then u didn't screen them that good to begin with. For example section 8 tenants tear a house up they wont be able to ever get in another. That on it's own is enough to keep tenants from wanting to go back to the projects.
I don't see any other turnkey groups that offer what i do, especially with a tenant and a service warranty on the homes.
@ Alex
Like i had said they they are long term investments in those areas and like u i don't really plan on selling them. I used to leave in Florida and know the gulf coast well. Most people won't mention those areas cause cape coral and ft myers are the areas being pimped for investors. I am looking for Port Charlotte and Naples for this year, for me it's all about location for fishing, lol. I'm the guy buying them on the water for 100 grand and hoping they come back to the half a million they used to be valued at. If could get a house on Boca Grande that would be the awesome. Have caught my fair share of 100 plus pound tarpon there.
As far as Kansas city i have this place down to a money making science. I don't do it on as big a scale as you do, but i do well with my properties with either flipping or keeping for cash flow. There are lots of options here, just like for you with Charlotte. For example (i'm not lieing <moderator: delete language> on these numbers either) i bought a house for 5 grand the other day and it will maybe put another 4 grand in it. My favorite thing is if i can get them with a newer roof on them, this one did. It might be a ruffer area but i do my own property management on my rentals. When i sell to investors i generally continue doing property management and give them a full year warranty on the rental. With the renter in it, i don't know of anybody else really offering this type of package. I'm not trying to advertise either i am just putting it out there for my own purposes for how much i believe in Kansas City. It bothers me when we get lumped in with Detroit and Memphis
Regards
Kyler Rice
[email protected]Hey Angelarose,
Would like to network and see what we could come up with. I am in need of people with there feet on the ground in Australia. I currently have a friend from the states in New Zealand that is working his way there. As mentioned above it is hard to find good people. It's not always what u know, it's who u know.
There are tons of places to invest and make money here in the states. I concentrate on Kansas City and SW Florida (Tampa, Sarasota, North Port and Naples) since i started buying fore closers back when the recession hit in 2008. My properties in Florida are long term for me and i do cash flow rentals in Kansas city. I also do a renovate and resell about each quarter in Kansas city in our art district/urban area. Which is how i gain capital for most of my houses in Florida.
Those numbers for Atlanta also seem to optimistic. Generally with a purchase in the 20's to 40's it is a ruff area and u have to have a really good property management company and u generally will get 8 to 10 months of rent.
You could get four to five good properties in Kansas city compared to Atlanta.
Email or friend me on facebook me if you are interested in networking or seeing if we can help each other
Kyler Rice
[email protected]Wassup Nick,
It depends if you want cash flow properties or long term capital gains on a property u will hold for a while. I like to do a mix of both and do most of my investing in the midwest ( the central states of america) and florida. I can help you with these areas if you like. It's fairly easy to obtain the properties and just takes a good real estate agent. Hit me up if u would like to talk more, facebook or email.
Kyler Rice
[email protected]Seems like a lot of people these days are having trouble finding good property managers in Kansas City. I have been working with investors from bankrupt equity groups they had bought from. SEG and Blue Mountain group, did a good job of giving investors the worst areas of inner city Kansas City. You can still get a good rental income out of these houses. The rents aren't the best but if u keep them low u can keep the renter longer than if u demand top dollar. Its tricky if you don't know the area and the people.
As far as other areas, I have been active in south west Florida since the market collapsed. The kicker is that a lot of houses in Cape Coral area full of Chinese drywall.
I would like to expand to other markets also, but there is still a lot of money to be made in Kansas City for me
Kyler Rice
[email protected]I can't see a casino resort really bringing back that area that much. You are from that area and if u have the inside scoop, u can get the the land they will build on. That part of Florida has always been popular with European tourist. Yet i wouldn't invest in cape coral when i could go to Tampa or Miami.
Thanks Alex,
Was one of my old posts when i first started using these forums
Spuirking, lol!
seasoned investors know Florida, your just trying to pimp out a boom town that busted, lol.
lol, they had lojacs on appliances in cape coral when that place became a ghost town.
Man, it sucks that there are that many predators out there. As a proud American it sucks to see so many scam companies out there just preying on people. Just makes us look like a bunch of money hungry thieves. Sadly, i buy most of my properties from investors that are frustrated and want out.
Kyler
[email protected]It’s sad how hard it is to find investors sometimes when all the scam people have hurt peoples trust. Lately I have been working with people that have been scammed by failed groups that have purchased and given people terrible properties. The same scenario that most are given, around forty thousand for a dump. You hear the horror stories, falling apart (said they rehabbed it) in a war zone. Most of these companies are bankrupt and gone, the investor is left usually with a preperty they have to relist on the.MLS and take huge losses. I am based out of Kansas city and all the people I work with are currently people that were decieved in the states. I am also surprised there aren’t more people that havent posted in this forum. Lol, yet if u read the forums people will vent. Anybody interested in networking for Kansas city shoot me an email
Kyler
[email protected]I just wish i could have bought houses in cape coral in 08 for 35K agian