Crypto currencies are a long way from meeting any of these requirements at this stage. Until they do buying into them is simply shooting dice at the casino.

That's why I mine them, already had the computers laying around.  Sure beats mining for precious metals.

going to have to come back to this one, to much to type tonight to get caught up in this discussion.

@freckle

disregard my comments in the other post.  I can continue the discussion here.

Appreciation is a trickier game to play than just cash flow.  If you know your areas well and can find some niche area's transitioning or gentrifing.  You can see about the same money in appreciation as you would in a year of rents.  It's not "hoping" if you know how to play your cards.

@freckle,

How you feeling about crypto currency?  Read an article about a guy that sold his summer house for crypto currency today.  

I had good run with bit coins, bought $200 dollars worth at $5 last year.  Sold them before Christmas when they were worth more than gold and bought a house.

I'm currently mining several types of currency, lite coin being the most profitable at the moment.  Would be interesting to see when the industry would start taking crypto currencies. 

I buy them in the cities i work in and will partner with other people that work there markets.  We do it mostly for rentals but if we can get them with clean title's with no liens they can be great money makers.  Currently getting some deals from a fellow that bought some cheap properties in 2008.  These are tax sales, haven't worked with the actual lien note aspect.

I guess your saying you want 15 graphs and a couple case studies with hard facts for you?

The example I listed above shows that prices have went up, there are more buyers.  Over seas investors now have more competition as the hedge funds and US buyers come back.  

I would like know why the OZ investor is tapping equity in there homes there to buy portfolios here?  Even there super funds.   

Fundamental's, how about experiencing it .  

What fundamental's are you talking about Freckle?  low unemployment, I know we are doing a heck of a lot better than Spain.

As far as the cities that i am in, they are all doing better than 2008.  New businesses and commercial is starting to boom again.  You just have to see it to believe it, you can see all the hospitality industry come back and cut down the unemployment.

I'm going to try and find some studies and graphs, some really left one's that support the gov's numbers, lol.   

And what would they be then??

The Freckle

Well properties aren't as cheap as they where in 07-08.  Used to buy brand new in Florida for 35,000 back in the day, now your lucky if you can get something close to that for 100,000. 

10k is a bit light, but more around 15k and you can make it cash flow nicely for around 500 to 600 a month.  B/C class type of property.

Update:

Flipped the above mentioned four unit for a profit of 42,000!

How's that for a flip with a 26,000 purchase and 10K rehab

Nothing speaks more volume than to just let somebody talk to a partner that you work with from the same country.

What kills me is the people that ask tons of questions and never intended to buy and just wanted to squeeze you for knowledge

Aussie spruiker, lol.

@ Alex

Had heard he was in town, I hadn't talked to him much since last spring.  He partnered up with a friend of mine and has been selling C class properties.  I generally keep the C's for myself

Word of mouth does spread fast!  I'm to the point i can't keep up with how much my partners want todo.  Have a group coming late January and i heard something about hedge fund, lol.

Flips are good money.  But you really have to know what your doing.  I got into the market right at collapse and relized quickly the prices i thought i could sell things for wouldn't be back for a long time.  Cash is king though and i have almost all my capital back from that first batch of flips that became rentals.  Passive income (rentals) > Flips  All my flip profits goes into buy and hold A class properties, historic homes.  I don't care about new homes, i can build those when building is cheaper than rehabbing.