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    Hi cokeran

    Mate it looks good – I see you have made certain assumptions – EG Land tax is automaically included – what about thresholds?

    Stamp duty is calculated on the full purchase price  – what about split deals – EG house and land packages on 2 separate contracts

    being so wide is a bit of a problem

    could you put the graphs below and make it narrower but longer?

    A couple of suggestions for you to consider

    cheers

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    Hi Thommo

    I have been investing in the Hunter Valley Area since 2003  (I am based in Sydney) and haven't looked back since making that decision – Its a great place to invest in my opinion and with the following infrastructure investment I believe the Hunter will only get better with time.

    $1.1bil Mangoola coal mine; $320mil expansion of BHP Billiton’s Mt Arthur mine;
    $2bil power station; multiple mines & power stations; gas pipeline to Liddell power
    station; $1.4bil Hunter Expressway; $1bil current upgrade to Newcastle port; $1.7bil
    in further port upgrades; $1bil upgrade to rail links to port

    I actually have some photos of 6 of Projects that I have done up there on my Facebook page (if your interested)

    I word of caution – Do your homework as there are the not so good and the better parts of town.

    cheers

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    My vote goes for The Richest man in Babylon – It is in  my opinion ancient wisdom for modern times

    cheers

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    Hi guys

    The joys of being crook and bored – I gave it another go on the $50k scenerio

    Results
    Funds invested – $750,933
    Net Worth – $3,464,,758
    Increase PA – 11%

    I found it strange my net worth dropped from over $7 mill on turn 9

    It is a bit of fun and can help with your tactics – seems to be more Cap Gains focused with cashflow positive being created thru low LVR's

    Typical bankerd they want the cashflow – let the inestor take the Cap Gains on the punt

    cheers

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    hbbehrendorff wrote:
    Played the 50,000 a year scenario

    ended up with 2,366,695 nett

    11% average gain per year

    its hard to find property that yield over 6% thats what makes it hard

    Yes its a challenge I played again on $50k ended up with $2.579 mil but only 9%
    interesting

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    Hi Guys

    Just had a bit of fun playing the game while sitting in bed getting over the flu

    I played scenerio 5

    My results were
    Starting capital $274k
    Total Invested $1.1mil
    Nett worth $6.386 mill
    Increase in nett worth 12%pa

    bought 23 properties compared to the community average of 7
    Sold 7 properties compared to the community average of 3
    My average profit was 49% compared to the community average of 60%

    Interesting figure was i earned $2.7mill in rent compared to the community average of $1mill

    It s interesting but focused on capital growth – still happy with my result

    cheers

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    Its an interesting tool to consider and use – check out this link from 2001

    http://www.wealthtipsonline.com.au/innercircle/hotopic1.html

    cheera

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    Hi Josh and everyone

    I think this now puts a whole new light on matters up in the Bowen basin

     http://www.dailymercury.com.au/story/2011/09/02/breaking-news-the-state-government-today-cleared/

    But reading between the lines is interesting

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    Hi PI 1

    My thoughts on Dysart is that it is a HOT market at present – rents have increased and so have market prices – If you are buying now it is certainly at the height of the current market . Still it offers a high return – just be aware that mining town rents and property values can be and are volatile

    As far as capital growth is concerned that is an interesting question – for info on population growth and investments speak to the local regional council they always have this type of info available

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    hello Lee

    Based on my experience it would be a CGT event as you have owned the property for more than 12 mths but you need to be guided by your accountant – if you are concerned you could apply for a  private ruling from the ATO.

    I am interested in property in Moranbah send me a private message if you are thinking of selling

    cheers

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    Terryw wrote:
    I did one loan years ago to a unit trust. The daughter had bad credit, so set up a unit trust with mum as trustee, daughter sole unit holder. It got through without them checking.

    But I think generally they would require personal guarantees from the unit holders as well as the directors of the trustee.

    So, who are the unit holders? ie who is the trustee of the superfund? If it is a company, then you could possibly get away with the lender knot knowing there is a superfund involved. The smae for a person as trustee too maybe. But, they could ask for tax returns etc of the unit holder.

    Also I havne't looked into this, but there may be a requirement under the new AML legislation to declare any trusts involved.

    Terry
    Unit holder is the Super Fund
    Trustee is a Non trading Company IE Corporate Trustee
    Its all in the trust deeds – no hiding anything
    plus its in the balance sheets

    So need a lender that is savvy in SMSF loans via a unit trust pre 2009 – this was set up in 1996

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    MikeF wrote:
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    Whats the security for the loan? Is it resi or commercial?

    Its Resi – 60% LVR

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    Terryw wrote:
    Who is the borrower?

    If it is the trustee with the aim to redeem the units then maybe. But if it is any other way then I think not as the unit holders would generally be required to give personal guarantees.

    The setup is as follows

    1) There is a corporate Trustee – A non trading Company say XYZ Pty Limited
    2) There is the Unit Trust say XYZ trust
    3) there is the SMSF – which is stand alone IE has a separate corporate Trustee  ABC Pty Limited ATF ABC super Fund

    The Borrower is XYZ Pty Limited as Trustee for XYZ Unit Trust (that is the case now) and it is not proposed to change that.

    Personal Guarantees from the Directors of XYZ Pty Limited are available as is the case now

    The issue from the lenders appear to have is that as all units in the Unit Trust are owned by the Super Fund they are saying its a Super Fund loan ??

    Although you have given me an idea – what if the super fund was to borrow to buy the units in the Unit trust – but then No as it already owns all the units issued – and to purchase the properties back out of the unit trust into the super fund would probably trigger CGT and stamp duty implications plus would it be deemed an arms length arrangement (indeed would it need to be).

    So I think the simple solution is are there any lenders out there that would lend to a unit trust  ??  Any Ideas??

    Thanks

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    codes wrote:
    ………The house is not much to look at but it is on a corner block on approximately 800 square meters. i was thinking if i can subdivide the back yard from the house and sell it off and using the profit to bring the house into positive cash flow as either a rental or sell using vendor finance.
    Back to the point, i wanted to get some information on where to start before a acquire the property?
    * How do i find out if it can be subdivided before i acquire the property?
    * How do i find out if a residence can be built on the land before i acquire the property?
    * What is the best path to go down with the application of the subdivision once the property has been acquired? (directly with the council or representation in the way of a civil engineer, draftsman etc?) Any input would be much appreciated and thank you for your time. codes

    Here is a quick answer to your questions)

    Q1 How do i find out if it can be subdivided before i acquire the property?
    A1 – Call the council and speak to a town planner – ask the question

    Q2  How do i find out if a residence can be built on the land before i acquire the property?
    A2 – Needs to be put in the contract as a special condition and you would negotiate this with the current owner

    Q3 What is the best path to go down with the application of the subdivision once the property has been acquired?
    A3 You will require a Surveyor, possibly a Town Planner and maybe even a draftsman / home designer

    Also you need to check on position of services, Ie Sewer, water and power , minimum lot size any covenants etc

    It' s hard to give a definitive answer as it depends on your State and even which Council its in

    This should get you started in the right direction

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    max147 wrote:
    Good Tradespeople in Dysart?
    Can anyone recommend the following tradespeople for work on IP in Dysart:
    – builder
    – tiler
    – electrician
    – floor sander
    – carpet layer
    – painter  

     I have used an electrical company & a builder both based in Dysart & I am not impressed.
    Thanks & regards Max.  

    Hi Max – I know a builder (that I have used) based in Moranbah that will travel to Dysart – Private Message me and I will send you his info – I have a friend who recommended a Dysart based builder (have not used him yet) but happy to send you his details also

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    shoooshoo wrote:
    I'm a babe investor :) with my previous investments, i have not done much research, this time i committed to do a good amount of research. thanks for your comments.

    Hi again Shoooshoo – good to see you are doing your research upfront that is a wise decision – you said in another post you wanted to find the next Dysart or Moranbah well here is a tip – what were they like 6, 12 or 18 mths ago – would you have invested in the towns back then?  You need to have some foresight and be prepared to back your judgement – there is also the case of going overboard and suffering from analysis paralysis

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    Hi ShooooShooo

    I can only think of one thing to say at this time and that is you can find a million reasons not to invest in an area or you can look for the one reason to invest in an area – Its really up to you

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    Lolitsalan wrote:
    Hello, been reading these forums a lot in my spare time. and wanted to know if building a duplex south of Perth would be a good first IP.
    Will be close to all amenities. large industrial area close by, school, shop, doctors etc.

    looking at getting a 450k loan 50k deposit. paying $400-450 per side. $3200-3600/month

    Little about myself:
    Ever since i watched Dragons Den i've always wanted to be an investor lol :D im 20, live in Perth and have a stable FIFO job paying 102k/pa Gross. which also pays 170$ for each week i complete (PIP) that is payed to me when i leave the company. I'm doing 4weeks/1week and spend around $300 give or take on my 1 week off, the 4 weeks i might spend $20 all up on drinks.
    Have no debt. no car loan. $50k saved.

    Would really appreciate some advice on whether it would be a good idea to start off with a Duplex.

    My 2nd option was to build a PPOR for $350k on the coast. "edit" with 7k gov. grant. – and my company also does salary sacrifice which is maximum of $1000 from each pay, so i dont pay tax on the 1k.

    Hi Lolitsalan

    It hard to say if its a good idea for you to start with a duplex in Perth as I have never built there – what I can say it I have built around 15 "dual Occupancy/duplex" dwellings over the years and have I made good money on them – It comes thru buying the land at the right price and engaging a good builder mostly on a turn key basis.If the numbers work then you should look at it – a way to minimise the risk would be to consider selling one unit and keeping one unit. And if you can sell one unit off the plan even better
    The other point is that building a new dwelling is an interesting experience make sure you have a fixed price contract if at all possible and know that a the one place fixed is NOT fixed is in a building contract as they can still hit you up for variations. Make sure you can afford the payments and have a bit of spare cash just in case.

    Good luck I Hope that helps

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    ydr wrote:
    Hi There, I'm a new investor and was looking at Blackwater & Emerald as the rental returns are very good. It worries me that these towns very much depend on the mining industry and I'm scared that if something goes wrong, they will end up being ghost towns. however I've noticed that Blackwater has a Woolworths which is a positive sign as Woolworths would not invest in a town if it wasn't worth it. Has anyone out there got any leaks on the future of these towns like projects that will be happening etc… Thanks Yann

    I think the answer to your question is in the following 2 threads

    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/property-investing/help-needed/4323195 and

    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/property-investing/help-needed/4337447

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    Daedalus wrote:
    Nebo is a funny one. There are a few mines nearby, but it doesn't have a boom feel to it. It is predominantly a cattle town.

    At the moment there are a number of vacant and unsold houses. Some of these are actually leased though to one of the energy companies.

    There is talk of Nebo being set up as an 'inland port'. I understand this to mean that they will set up heavy manufacturing and servicing here e.g. they will build and service rail rolling stock for use within the basin. The advantage this would have is that Nebo is already up on the tableland where the basin is. It's another hour or two down to Mackay, and so Nebo would save a lot of hauling up and down the hill. If this comes off, Nebo would change appreciably.

    Nebo is close enough to the coast that workers in the local mines often just live in Mackay and drive or bus to work. Some work 5 days/5 days off, and this lets their families enjoy a coastal lifestyle. This would seem to be infinitely more interesting than living in Nebo, unless of course you were born and bred there maybe.

    Really nice pub in Nebo though :)

    Daedalus.

    Hi there

    I am currently looking at NEBO which I think has been overlooked and has some potential – there is still some cheap land available its 100 km from Mackay and 100 km to Moranbah and on the Junction to Dysart and Middlemount. AND there is a new railway maintenance depot about to be built at NEBO and its one big shed which will be able to house a full length coal train under one roof – that's about 2 kms in length.

    See attached links http://www.dailymercury.com.au/story/2011/06/01/coal-rail-project-delivers-jobs/

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/06/01/3232793.htm?site=capricornia

    http://www.railwayobserver.com/index.php/freight/oceania/426-pacific-national-to-invest-aud-150-milliuon-in-four-new-train-facilities

    http://www.ndy.com/projects/nebo-rail-maintenance-facility

    What are your thoughts on the place 31/2 yrs down the track??


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