Just one question, if you go to the bank and say you want to take out another loan and only have it secured against the new IP, is there a way to distinguish whether the loan is CC or not? I mean it’s all good in word but if the lender makes a blunder and CC anyway, how would one know?
If you borrow money to invest, then it is generally tax deductible. Taking money from a LOC is borrowing money. I would keep the LOC totally separate – no personal use at all if possible. Also look into borrowing from the LOC to pay expenses and keep your cash available for personal use – put it in your offset on the home loan if you have one.
Hi Terry,
If you have a LOC and borrow from that to pay all your expenses, i.e. a mixture of personal and investment, how do you work out what’s deductible or not come tax time?
First off, thanks to all who answered I really appreciate it
Say I'm in the following situation with a PI loan:
Loan balance: 80K Equity: 20K (i.e. built up via PI loan only – ignoring cap. growth) Offset: 10K
2 months down the track I decide to turn this into an IP by switching to an IO loan (as from what I understand this signals to the ATO that your intentions for borrowing the money has changed and that it's now an IP – i.e. the balance owing is now fully tax deductable)
2 weeks later I decide to borrow to invest in a 2nd IP and wonders how to best utilise the offset balance attached to now IP loan =============================================
Duckstar – LOC seems the common approach however how should I best utilise my offset balance of 10K? Should I dump it into the existing loan of 80K and then apply for LOC against the now 30K (20K + 10K) so I have more tax deductability potential (I've read this is called debt recycling from somewhere…not sure…) or should I leave it and use it to finance borrowing costs and prop. management fees?
Richard – Many thanks for replying to all my posts u r legend! In regards to offset, if I apply for a separate LOC loan is it possible to get a 2nd offset account? (i.e. still retain the one that's linked to the 'PPOR turn IP account')
"however you are unable to refinance and redraw the funds or take out any advance payments and still get the same deduction."
Richard – is this because the extra payments made were into a PPOR?
What happens when the PPOR is turned into an IP with extra payments continuing and 6 months down the track you decide to refinance, is the extra payment you've made since the property has turned into an IP tax deductible?
" What happens if 5 years down the track when you have paid off 100K of principal or so on your PPOR you decide to buy another PPOR and rent this one out.
You need 100% + costs of the new purchase price but are shocked to realise that only the existing balance is deductible on your current home loan and that the new PPOR will have 106% borrowing of non deductible debt.
Had you taken an interest only loan from the start (the interest savings is exactly the same) you could have switched the offset account to the new PPOR and now the full debt on the existing home would be deductible"
To Richard – Please correct me if I'm wrong but I always thought that interest repayment paid on a non-income producing asset (i.e. PPOR) is not tax deductable regardless of whether it's an IP or IO loan.
I really appreciate all the reponses. I've already called to get Gas and Electric connected on Settlement and was about to do the same for water until I saw dictem's response – thanks alot How silly would I have been!
Young Investor – I'm just starting out also and the way I calculate the percentage of my salary that goes into investing is (for -ve geared investment as in my case):
This may not be the correct way of calculating it but I just did what ever made sense to me at the time
L.A. Aussie – Thanks you once again. I've decided to increase my loan term to 30yrs to lower my repayments down to $1120 pcm which should loosen my net usable income to ~630 pw. Living expense shouldn't be a problem as I will living with me folks once the property is rented out – during this time I'm planning to save up for 2yrs (60K) which should give me enough for a down payment for another IP. Do you think this is feasible? Also what should I be expecting in terms of Property Management Fee and more importantly what is the main responsibility of a property manager apart from liasing with tennants?
Nina – I really hope things turn out better for you in the not too distant future.
L.A. Aussie – You mentioned: "Read all the Margaret Lomas books, Noel Whittaker, Jan Somers, Peter Spann, Steve McNight's (later) books for nuts and bolts." – Are you able to recommend any specific titles from these Authors? I'm looking to by my PPOR in 1 year's time (and turn it into an IP) and would lke to better prepare myself knowledge wise.
Good advice Simon. Well I have no financial goal at the moment as such but rather a goal to own my first property and not a mortgage. I do agree about buying a house sooner rather than later though because they tend to appreciate that's why I plan to rent my PPOR out after living in it for 1 year (FHOG) and use that income as well as the additional tax return to pay it off quicker and get closer to owning the property and then go after my official IP. I could of course use the rent to save up a deposit for an IP or even 2 by taking out an IO loan and let the renters pay the interest repayments however wouldn't this mean the principal will never be paid off?
"One of my properties has a $260K loan IO – I have parked $260K in an offset account and make no monthly repayments whilst it is in there." – In this case why wouldn't you by the property outright instead of taking out the loan?
I think I'm getting a head spin from all this – think I'll lay off posting again for a couple of weeks to do more research
Thanks for all your info guys, much appreciated Ken
Opportunity…- I think you're right about only being able to claim back interest that you paid only if the proprty is rented out (income producing). Either way I'm leaning towards a PI loan so that I'll own a property outright in a shorter period and once I have that I'll use the equity and IO loan for purchase of a IP. How does that sound?
Also in reagrds to Offset account, is it true that the mortgage interest is only reduced by the interest earned in the offset account and not the total balance?
For example if I had (assuming monthly repayments):
Offset Balance: $30,000 Interest earned: $70 for a particular month
Mortgage Loan: $200,000 Interest Rate: 10% p.a.
Loan Interest Payable = ($199930 * .01)/12
Can anyone confirm? I've read another post in this forum which states otherwise, i.e. ($170,000 * .01)/12
Must be built after 1987 (preferrably 5-15 years old), to maximise Tax Returns and cashflow from "on-paper" deductions.
Thanks LA Aussie! I did some research and just found that you can actually claim Building Allowance of 2.5% of the construction cost – I never knew that! This property investing jazz is really sucking me in
One question though, when buying a property how does one find out the construction cost and when it was built?