hehe landlordtobe- no kidding. As if Labor is any different to Liberal anyhow. As for me, I can’t wait until we buy those $55 million war things the Feds are looking at- will make us all much better off! []
Yeah, there’s a real “sky is falling” attitude around here. But landlordtobe- we’re on a property forum- it’s to be expected that there’d be a number of dry Liberals on here.
The quick answer, Marisa, for CF+ is places like Mt Isa, Morgan, Ayr etc in Qld… Broken Hill in NSW, Geraldton in WA.. lots of places, inclusding lots of rural places all over australia. Best thing to do is look up realestate.com.au and click on < price in the search engine. It will bring up heaps of houses, then do your research about those places in google.com
Seems that you got in at the right time and made profits- well done :o)) But do you think some of the strategies you learned then would work in this market?
I think Mr Kaye wa into buying new properties, whereas with reduced rental returns and risimng interest rates, would you still buy new properties? Or would you move towards (cheaper) CF+ props?
Monika is still in Austria, perhaps suffering sympathy jetlag?? hehe. You know, I just slept 34 hours in the last couple of days? 20 hours on the plane, 2 hours when I got home, then up on this board during the wee hours of the morning, then back to sleep between 6.30am and 8.30pm right now… woke up looking like this: [?] and wonderinf what day it was! Thank god i have one more day before I go to work, or at my desk, I’d look like this: [8]
Hello dear Matty, glad to see you back Welcome back to you too, Props16- yay! And to Chan and PG… you got a thing for miss monika huh? [!] hehe.. [:X] No wonder!
It really makes it worthwhile to buy a unit/house built post-1987, and to pay the extra money for it. Beats getting depreciation just for curtains/carpets. [V]
Thank you Stuart. Basically, if a bank says no wraps, or no loans to third parties or whatever… the loan will be void if ever the wrappee wants to get out of it.
Good on you, landlordtobe! Most of my friends (and me) rent, and I think the going rate per room in sydney is $160 per room, and about $200 per room in a decent house inner west (and probably north shore too!)
Whilst we can know that rent money is “dead money”, for some of us, there isn’t a way around it right now. Great for you that you’re looking into a market where you can raise some capital- perhaps you’ll have your own PPOR one day!
When I sold an IP, I was given a market appraisal from an agent of $XXX. Then when he suggested I sell for a range of which the lowest price was $XX below what he had first quoted me, I said, no, that he had quoted me amount, and I wanted to sell for that amount. I said “If you think it is worth that amount, then that’s what I want you to sell it at”. Fair enough, I thought. We ended up putting a price on it of $XX above what he had quoted (the appraisal was given to me a few months before that), to allow for negotiation. I ended up selling for the original amount, plus 5% more.
Whilst I think it’s good to be aware that RE’s will conditoin us for our business, I think they have a responsibility to back up their claims. Turned out to be win/win for us. I think if they write an appraisal on paper, and say it is from past sales etc, then they have to do as they say.
I tewnd to think chat rooms have a different purpose. Whilst Brent’s idea is a good one- a specific topic that people can discuss, ask questions etc… that would be great for some. But there could be *two* rooms- one for mere chat- with no stipulations etc- like somersoft- and a more purpose-orientated one.
Chat rooms have the benefit of all people having different perspectives. The other idea- the “seminar” type room, could basically become a lecture- good for those who love seminars, but bad for others who like listening to different opinions.
I don’tbelieve there isa problem with rental guarantees… a lot of the 1-bed apartments in melbourne (city/carlton areas) have rental guarantees because they are rented to students or are presumaly used by motel chains. The guarantees are also renewable. I see nothing wrong with that. I am talknig about apartments- studios and 1-beds- which have guarantees of about 8%.
I am not talking about generic OTP’s. I think guarantees are great in an established market. Why not take on a renewable guarantee for a cheapy apartment (under 150k)? A guarantee is better than a vacancy.
But i reckon buying a docklands/southbank apartment at $350 +++ is buying into trouble- as soon as the guarantee is over, one is likely to get only 2/3 of that as it becomes a tenants’ market.
Good morning Redwing and Bec! Givcen that I slept 20 hours on the plane and then a few more at home, I have jetlag- and what’s YOUR excuse, redwing? :o) Bec, you’re safe on this one- you’re an English lass..
By the way, Bec= are you REALLY Neil Jenman? The wrappers seem to think so- hehehe….
Pozz gearing measures are only calculated on tenancy. No tenancy= your property is fully negative geared. Watch out for properties managed in that way- they’re likely to exaggerate the benefits. Go for a rental guarantee instead. If it’s pozz geared, it’s likely that it’s a cheapy. A rental guarantee will serve you well for a couple of years.
What are they offering in this offset arrangement?
I tend to think that overinflating value is only a problem if the agent doesn’t sell at that price. So quoting 450k is ok if the agent can get that for the vendor (after all, a house is “worth” whatever the market will pay).
I think the problem is when agents “condition” the owner- giving them a high valuation, but then trying to get them to accept a lower offer, which might in fact be what the agent thought it might bring in the first place. When I sold a place, the contract stipulated that the property could not be sold below a particular price that was agreed between the agent and myself. I guess one problem is the “range” selling method.
I think vendors should never accept under what the RE quotes. Then the RE has to do the hard work to get that value. But I also think it’s been a long tradition of RE’s to give a market appraisal for higher than they might truly believe, to get the vendor’s business.
So for 36k, plus body corp fees, rates, insurance etc etc, I can own my own PPOR? Frankly, the ONLY way I can do that, is by buying IP’s and using the extra income I earn to get my own home. I’ll need $800 a week (for all mentioned above…), so I can afford it in 25 years when IP’s are paid off…
Am I right in this? Anyone wanna tell me how I can afford my own PPOR? []
$220 per quarter is probably not too much. These days,I see anything under $1000 per annum as reasonable. I doubt you´ll find any BC rates anywhere under $660 per year.
Also, it would be good if the property was built after 1985- there´ll be good depreciation benefits.
You said: `I have just read 0-130 and i believe that if u can +cf property from renting then why do u need an income to service loan.´
There is no guarantee that we can have a tenancy for 25 years or the term of the loan. What if you need major repairs or all the other things associated with a mortgage on an old house? Generally old houses are the only ones that are CF pozz these days.
It is a real risk for you to have a new mortgage on a pension.
That price is expensive in inner-city melbourne. Check out domain.com.au. There are hundreds of apartments there for under $200k in the middlec of the city. There are also rental guarantees there- the student apartment niche. Don´t pay too much when there is so much to choose from.
So if the weekly positive CF is 2.26 weekly, is that before tax? Would the figure then be reduced to about $1 after one pays taxes on it, presuming one is in the highest tax bracket? Or is this 2.26 figure pre-deduction?
Given a return of 2.26… one would really have to wonder what all the fuss about CF pozz is. What if you need to rewire this place? Reroof it? Restump it? Then the return of $100 annually would be eaten up.
kay henry
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