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    fifi- who is henry?? hehe

    fifi- I have a little difference of opinion about your idea of CF+ occurring when one has paid off one’s mortgage a bit. Here’s my ideas about it.

    CF+ can occur at any time during one’s mortgage (by raising rents)- but the calculation is on the price one paid, not on how much one has left to pay on the mortgage. So, for example, on an IP, I had 20k left to pay on my mortgage before I sold it, but I NEVER considered it to be CF+. In fact, the rental yield was low, even relative to the original price I pad for it, some 9 years ago. So I think that’s a false way to calculate cash flow positivity.

    The other way people sometimes call their property CF+, is by saying they paid a higher deposit. Again, I maintain that CF+ is all about rental yield VS original price one paid, and NOT on how much deposit one puts in. I could put $100k of my quity into a 300k property- a 1/3 deposit) but my measurement still has to be on the paid price and the rental yield.

    Just a few thoughts :O))

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    Chan,

    I do like democracy, and I think it’s one of those values worth keeping. If we were in a country where we weren’t allowed to vote, and had either a dictatorship or a monarch ruling the country, I think we’d really want the ability to be able to vote.

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    Thanks for those “solid and logical” perspectives there, Anubis. [blink]

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    Thing is, Master sis, that if our expensive properties had potential for both CG and rental yield that was CF+, well, we’d all be in there doing the CF thing. If only our $300k property got $600 a week rent, well, wouldn’t we love that?

    But *someone* has to buy nice houses and apartments. To suggest a beautiful unit with views, or a lovely landscaped house is a bad investment just messes with my psychology, because at the end of the day, being an investor is a psychology, and we do what makes us feel comfortable. Otherwise, we’d just feel off our heads all the time- completely worried about what we were doing. Who wants to have a nervous breakdown about RE? We just do whatever feels right for us- and that’s such an individual thing.

    Sis, I will buy properties that suit my headspace. I’d have no probs with buying CF+ properties if I felt they were good buys. But do prefer post-1985 apartments- I am not a renovator, and wanna set and forget.

    So I guess I’m something of a neg gearer but i do have a prop that is now 10% yield- lucky me :) and one day, when the money runs out for me, I’ll be a “wannabe gearer”- hehe. So I’m gonna try and buy up a few more IP’s before I’m 40, so I can continue to play this fun game of monopoly.

    Best CF+ is Old Kent Road
    Best Neg Geared is Park Lane

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    hehe Chooks :)

    Chan, I love that list and it is SOOO true for my life. There is also a “living in sydney” version- I love that one too- can ya find it, Chan?

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    My4, oh to be 24 again ;))

    Sounds like you’re in a good situation. Did you/will you get a redundancy package? Or were you on contract work? If you werein permanent work, check out if a package is due to you- it will help you greatly :)

    You said:

    “I guess i’am trying to make the right decisions starting out instead of having the reverse approach that being make the stupid costly mistakes then ask for advise of what i did wrong or how do i ammend it to get back on track.”

    depends on how you see the world… I don’t see “stupid costly mistakes” as part of my vocabulary. If you wish to, you can see the world as a learning curve, and that mistakes are opportunities for learning. (This comes from a person who has made lots of “irregularities on the learning curve”) [blush2]

    If ya wanna have a social and sporting life, then do. We can be investors and still have a life! It’s one ofthe beautiful things about property- we can “set and forget” if we have a good property manager.

    Good luck with your plans :))

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    ok Chooks, I’ll go there… Let me put it this way… Here’s a riddle for you…

    I’m of the political pursuasion that’s more likely to be doe-eyed, than I am to go to my daughter’s wedding, read books to children, or get drunk and steal a bottle of wine and flip out in the senate and half pull a woman’s arm off.

    How’s that grab you?

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    Well written Anubis :) You said it much better than I could.

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    Celiv :o)

    As with all things, one has to determine what one’s priorities are and what one can afford etc. I imagine I will probably never go to a seminar, because I doubt I could justify to myself spending those amounts on it (I would rather give that kind of money to my family, I think). I’d probably go to a free foum though- not many around, but I guess there’s still a few :o)

    I am trying to structure my life around what money I have and what I can spend it on- thinking about budgeting for the first time in my life! I actually find it easier to do that when my financial situation is better, ad I have a bit of cash lying around (I sold an IP and feel rich!). But I still have a BBM (bloody big mortgage) so any money I spend will probably go straight into buying more IP’s.

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    Marisa,

    The people above has spoken about high yields, and of course they are gonna take up on huge yielding properties where rent is king- great way to make money, so those CF+ properties are always gonna be a good deal, if the numbers stack up. That’s swhy the CF+ market will always be popular and it’s a matter of seeking out the deals and doing the numbers.

    Other people like to find “undervalued” areas which might have plans for future growth (migration predictions, industry moving in etc). The IP one buys in this area might not be CF+ but the investor would be looking to achieve capital growth, and still gain a decent rental income.

    For people like me, I’m happy to earn anything around 7%. I fugure the tenant and the tax dude pay off my properties mostly anyway, so I am happy to make the “investment” out of my own money because I love RE [inlove] and I think it’s a good long-term investment.

    Oh, the old adage of buy in gloom and sell in boom, is probably less used these days, as everyone is HOLDING their properties. but yeah, the same principle applies when buying- basically, try to buy your property at a good value price. But I doubt people will lose a lot of money in the heated markets. I reckon value for good stock in sydney- even when it was at its most fervent heated prices, will keep its value.

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    That has to be one of the cutest stories ever, Rugs :o)) You are VERY creative!

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    WAF,

    Don’t be too hard on these folks. They are just trying to chill this topic out a bit. I personally think playfulness is not such a bad thing. There’s a child in us all, no?

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    Can we all go to the property expo in sydney? *salivate*

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    Well, Chook, the link you provided above was a lefty link, so if that’s your true colours… it’s easy to determine [smiling]

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    How do you think we get schools, hospitals and roads unless we have taxes, folks?

    I think it’s ok that we pay our share.

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    ok, here’s a summary of my life.

    [elvis] Me

    [gorgeous] monika

    [mickey] teddy

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    Oh well, at least you guys can debate and still be humorous and not disgraceful. How come you are both sleeping? I am like this: [lmao]

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    Yes foston,

    I remember the days of Whitlam- free University education! No HECS and no fees. Oh yes- free healthcare… and public school funding.

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    tycoon :)

    Can you do both? Put a deposit on an IP and also go oveseas? Friends of mine are big fans of Vietnam and it’s one of the cheapest places to go. I reckon I wanna go there too- and soon!

    I just got back from overseas- my first ever time. And I did it thanks to a CG in RE! I reckon RE is about living well. Going overseas can be one way of living well, as can any holiday. In fact, it’s probably not that much more expensive to go OS or to go on a local holiday.

    If you go to a place where the exchange rate is better than the $AUS, you can have a ball! (although watch out for the expensive $euro countries- you’ll be begging on the streets :))

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    Funny that Mr Triguboff seems to have changed his mind and his feelings are different to the comments he made in December:

    Mr Triguboff stood by his prediction, reported in The Australian, that the buyers of 30 per cent of Sydney units purchased off the plan would default and lose their deposit because they could not get full finance from banks worried about falls in valuations.

    “When the market was hot, banks were willing to lend the full amount,” he said. “But when the market is down, banks now tell their customers they will only get a smaller loan – not the full amount.”

    What gives Harry?

    kay henry

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