a slightly different opinion with beerboy, in him saying “equity should grow bigger with 4 properties”. I am not sure this is the case in 2004 (assuming we are using the example stated about buying 5X4 $50k properties).
Generally, the rule (in 2004) is that the lower the price, the greater rental tield, but the less CG. That’s the risk. For more expensive properties, you often get less % yield, but more potential for CG (location location location). That’s the risk there. So with exxy props, you get less money in your hand, but hopefully more money when (and if) you sell, or more equity to play with if you don’t sell but prices rise. Of course, there is no guarantee of prices rising either- even with exxy props And with cheaper props, you are relying on the weekly income, but, in 2004, your property MAY not rise (although it may). hehehe…
Sometimes it’s all about gut instinct and what you feel comfortable with.
Congrats on saving up $8k- it’s a start [thumbsupanim] If you buy an investment property, you won’t be entitled to the FHOG, so your 8K will be it. I am not a fan of Lenders’ Mortgage Insurance- dead money, in my opinion.
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In terns of searching, check out realestate.come.au Go the the Qld map, click on the Ipswich link (for example) and leave the “show surrounding areas” tick on. Then you can click on “show cheapest (<) price.” That’s the way I do my checks. I find the net fantastic for checking out areas, and realestate.com.au is a really good search engine. Of course, it ain;t the last word on finding out about everythingto do with RE, but it is a good start.
I am with the rather imbibed daaj- why not start off small in your investment choice? The purpose of looking at places like Ipswich is that properties there are cheaper than in some of the rest of Australia. As you have a small deposit, start off cheaper. Ya don’t wanna be struggling with a VBM (very big mortgage) all your life for one IP. The smaller you start, the more you can get
Here’s an article written in the last couple of days about why the Ipswich market might still be good value:
Well put Leigh. It is a fairly diverse group of members, from anti-wrap crusaders to pro-wrap crusaders, CF+ to -ve geared, buy and hold to build and sell.
It takes all sorts, and it keeps things a little fresher than 30,000 one eyed zealots. Avoid getting caught up in some of the arguments and use it to learn (always remembering to double-check with professionals before following advice) rather than to convert to your viewpoint and it will be rewarding.
Nick.
Nick! There you go again with one of your lucid replies! And yes, I agree with you that diversity is king!
Jennifer, glad you’re enjoying the forum :o) You’re probably getting to see some of the different characters on here too. It’s a good chilled out place, mostly, and I think the fairly relaxed nature of this place makes many of us feel comfortable here :o)
Seems Sunday is the best date for people so far. What about you sis- is sunday ok for you? or out of the question? Where is PG these days? He ok? sis or Chan, you wanna pass the message onto him?
Yes, I realise that cosmetic or other reno’s for old houses can be really essential. And I think the reno’s you have done make your houses look so great!!
I was referring, when i mentioned “overcapitalisation” to people spending heaps and heaps of money, and then not necessarily getting their money back on it. My comments applied really to the pre-war boom days- which is only really 4 years ago- when people were spending up big on reno’s- often intending to resell- and it didn’t make a pinch of difference to their price.
Yes Mini, I do buy with emotion in mind. I do have the head of an owner/occupier, I guess, despite the literature that says to do otherwise. I only have 2 IP’s at the moment, [glum] and I love them both :o))
I probably wouldn’t be able to service a loan of $300k to buy a 10% yielding property. In fact, I have no idea what my next purchase will be. I bought two IP’s last year, so I’m thinking I might have to chill out a bit and keep some money in the bank for a while and make some decisions (sold an IP last year, so have a little money to play with).
Cel, you can go to the monopoly.com site. They have all different versions for different countries. Might be Australia’s time to make up our own )
Why thankyou Chan! Yes Chan- this test they’ve given you… well, you might have to reapply in 6 months time- your “temper tantrum-ometer” just exploded and we’re all suffering burns from watching it [snitch] Are you ok, Chan? your face looks a bit heated. [grrr]
*Imagines the Moderator with their hand sitting coolly on the delete trigger…* hehe.
Chan- you seem to be feeling like this: [lmao] Perhaps I should hit you upside the head so you can look like this: [upsidedown] and feel like this: [tired]
Rubba- sorry, my comments related to the market in 2004 in Australia :o)) Hence, the inversion thing.
But good to see you really got into the Monopoly notion- it’s an interesting comparison. And particularly interesting given that in the most exxy property, you used to get higher (%) rents- not so now!
But then, Monopoly was ONLY about getting yields- not to resell the props for CG. Someone needs to rewrite that game!!
Hey, you know what would be interesting? If the game was changed so that one could sell the properties… and then you got a bunch of people playing – neg gearers and pozz gearers, and all the pozz gearers would get high yields, and the neg gearers would sell their properties… and then see who wins at the end of the day!!
I think bank valuations will always mostly be done on “location location location.” Overcapitalising can be a real problem, I agree Captain. Important ideas from you in these days of the reno boom.
That’s yield, Rubba?? No, no, my friend- that would be CG in the last 12 months… here’s why.
As we know, exxy props have more CG and less yield, and cheaper ones have greater yield and less CG. So your figures for yield need to be inverted.
Really, the utilities and railways never should have been privatised. We should have just been taxed every time we landed on them, with the money returning to the box. Like a tax for playing, you know.
“please no tree hugging hippie ideals, a solid logical argument for it.”
And then you proceeded to use very ewmotive language in your discussion.
No no, Anubis! I don’t discount your ideas because they are different to mine. I guess I was a little surprised by how you presented your opinoin on this thread though, because I had been impressed by the way you had worded a post in another thread this morning, and complimented you on it.
Guess I just find terms like “tree hugging hippies” a bit lame in 2004- sorry!
So chook, the most expensive one on monopoly is Mayfair? Sorry about that! I forgot the addresses and had to look them up in google this morning. Followed link to link until I came across a book called “From Old Kent Road to Park Lane”, about some guy who travelled all over England and visited all the places on the Monopoly Board :o))
Please forgive my “Latham”. [laughing]
kay henry
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