As a property investor, become a student of RE history- or recent history, at least. Most people here who have had property for over 7 years will tell you that property prices were flat as a pancake 6-10 years ago, in many areas, and that RE prices did drop considerably with neg growth in some areas.
The difference between this boom and ones before it, is that everyone knows about this one, and perhaps the internet have fuelled the boom, with places like the PI.com forum and somersoft for people to network. In my 37 years though, I have NEVEr seen property marketed to the sameextent. Plus there’s all the RE shows, reno shows, property mags etc. Seems everyone is into RE.
Propert HAS declined in some areas in 2004. People who bought some off the plan apartments may now struggle to get their money back, and some have forfeited their deposits because they are unable to derive a loan for the full amount. Look up Docklands melbourne in google.com.au and see what has happened to prices in some of those areas.
Mike, you still need to be able to service the loan (and ask what you like in here. As for me, if I understand the question, I’ll answer it. If not, I let the smarter ones do it! :o))
A pensioner with a multimilion dolar mansion in sydney is not going to be able to use his or her equity to buy another place. Well, perhaps an unscrupulous lender might let her, but sheesh! It’s all about being able to pay back the loan. That’s why people who have multiple properties like Brenda Irwin and her hubby (profiled again in last month’s API mag) have had to sell up properties to be able to borrow more. Her hubby also had to keep his job to be able to qualify for loans.
This ain’t an easy game. And I am NOT being negative or a naysayer, for those who think we should tell everyone the only thing stopping them is their mind. Reality is, generally, you have to have a job and increasing levels of money to service loans or you can get into trouble.
I did some looking on realestate.com.au, and there are a HEAP of older-style units for sale at cheaper prices (under 85k). Check out the size of them though- whist they say 1-bedroom, a further look has some of those ones at around 32sq metres. That is VERY small.
A couple of things. Double brick is a GOOD thing, I agree. And yes, when I was young, I certainly heard all the merits of buying houses that were of an older vintage- not too old! 30 years old is not THAT old though. I guess I am referring to houses built in the 50’s and how solid they were blah blah.
Older units- 1960’s, 70’s and 80’s, on the other hand, are, I read, now struggling in the market. I don’t think there were any units built much before 1965- people built houses before then. But I do know some of those units are having structural problems, of the concrete cancer variety. And they are also struggling in selling in a flatter market, because newer units are more aesthetically pleasing.
In terms of structure though, Gunner, it all depends on the state of the house. If you had a building report done on the place, hopefully it will attest to being a good buy!!
In a geographical area such as Geraldton, there will be good and less good areas in which to buy. I think one is buying into trouble if one buys asbestos- you’re right! And some of the better areas have been raked over by investors by now. One strategy I have is not to buy in areas that are HUGELY known by investors- ie Ipswich, Gero, etc. I figure what hasn’t been bought up so far, might not have been bought up for a reason
The relative geographic isolation also bothers me a bit.
Russ- best of luck with what you’re doing. You’ve obvoiusly got a real passion for it! [thumbsupanim]
Yes, Sibo, I think you might be at least 18 months – 2 years too late to get a pozz CF place in Q’beyan. Last time I looked, prices were about equal to wollongong. Dunno what they’re like now though. I stopped looking at canby’s poorer cuzz about a year ago- too exxy for what they were.
No pictures of the property Cel??? No way! Pictures let me know if I can love it or not! And if there’s no love, there’s no purchase [inlove]
I did actually buy an IP without a pic, but I saw some pics a month later of another one in the same condition, so I had something to hold onto. [blush2] I think buying an IP (we ARE spending a lot of $$$ after all, even on cheapy CF+ ones) is a bit like agreeing to marry someone without knowing what they look like. I wanna know my IP is attractive, otherwise how can I sleep with it? hehe.
Pics rock. Having said that… virtual tours add about 10sq metres to the visuals of a property. The place, when one sees it, can appear positively anorexic compared to the cam shots.
Leigh- it is NOT a double guarantee. The hardcoded 14 day no questions asked money guarantee is a mistake. The hard coding will be removed, and only the No Hard Feelings guarantee will apply.
yack- I hear ya. But if you are waiting for prices to go down really far, then you may be waiting for ever. I was just talking to a RE guy. He said a vendor bought a place for 720k in sydney- 2 bedder- and now can’t get 550k for it now that he wants to sell. Well, I can’t afford 550k anyhoo, but maybe that’s what it was worth in the first place.
I really understand your hesitancy about buying what appears to be overvalued. I wanted to pay around what I bought my first IP for. Then I realised that, due to the boom, I would have to buy regionally to pay anywhere near that price (my first IP was in the city). But I couldn’t expect to pay similar prices in an RE boom for what I bought in a flat market a decade ago. Prices are NOT gonna revert back to what they were a decade ago. I just cannot see that happening ever again. Just like wages will never be 2 pounds six pence again (we hope!)
I will be buying if the bank will let me. Absolutely I will. Doesn’t mean I will be paying 720k then trying to offload. It just means I enjoy RE and I’d like to buy at least 1 a year- despite the market conditions.
Well, the thing is, people need to do RESEARCH! Blind Freddy would know that those areas are dodgy. A few internet checks, a bit of asking around on somersoft or on here… or doing a search on these forums… and you’d KNOW the problems. Any checking I do includes crime checks, checks for social problems, unemployment rates etc etc. I would quite happily buy a property in double bay, sydney, for example, without seeing it- sheesh, it dpends on where you’re buying into.
Russ, you were on here before saying eastern staters know nothing about WA. But many of us have done LOTS of checking on areas around geraldton. That’s why we don’t buy there :o) Info about social problems doesn’t surprise me. But I don’t have to go there to know that. If you go to the search engine on here, there are probably 20 or more references to those areas, and why reinvent the wheel? If property investors say those areas suck, then it’s good enough for me.
If you have 3 IP’s, you probably know a little about what you’re doing. Thing is, you can borrow to but CF+ props no problems at all, because it will repay itself. Anything other than that, and it doesn’t matter how much equity (via a reval)you have, you’ll still have to find the money to repay a mortgage. This can be done through a pay rise or a lotto win. Or you can do a reno to make the place achieve more rent :o)
Most of us have to start out buying in “not so good areas”, or else, we’d all have a few places on pretty harbours )
This doesn’t affect your borrowing. If you see the article I posted in General roperty, banks have a problem with financing apartments and houses in the innercity as well, so it seems banks are being razor gangs all over the place. Some financiers will want a 30% deposit for locations with less than say, a 10,000 pupulation. But to check out lending criteria, why don’t you get a mortgage broker around to your house. There’s a bunch of them on here. They’ll just sit you down and discuss with you what’s viable.
Well, sis, Meriton is offering vendor finance at comparable rates to those who probably cant get traditoinal finance with the banks. The problem here is that they have to refinance after two years, and given that they probably won’t have paid out any principle by then, the owners will be back to square one and may not be able to refinance. What happens then is anyone’s guess- Meriton buys it back from them for a song perhaps?
Well, presumably through his Consumer Protection Fund (paid for by his own RE agents and not costing anything to consumers), Jenman has his finger on the pulse of some of the people who got stung. Guess there’ll be some case studies on there- I’ll be up for a watch. Thanks Chan! :o)
Do you really think that the woman who was up on stage with Brad Sugars, crying and telling the whole audience she thought she was ugly, was going to be healed by Brad Sugars telling her she had a nice bum? It was a quick and easy way for him to get her off the stage.
I think if people have significant problems affecting their life, they might find it easier (and cheaper) to go to a community health counsellor and discuss what’s ailing them. But resolving issues of self-esteem is not going to happen over a few days with hundreds of people in an audience all paying thousands of dollars to find easy answers to deeper problems. A guru can rara until the cows come home, but when the cows actually DO return home to their suburban lives, they are faced with some of the same material problems that they had before they left. It’s resolving THOSE problems that are essential, not just bouncing up and down at a seminar.
What are the keys to a happy life? Just at a guess… a good relationship with others- partner, family, friends, community; feeling valued in life, perhaps in a job where one feels valued; good health; having many and varied interests and being able to enjoy these whenever ones wishes to; financial stability, etc etc… surely THESE are the things (or whatever people’s different core values are) that one can work on. How does a seminar by Brad Sugars resolve the things which prevent us from realising our potential?
Some of the happiest people I know have the above. But what’s an 8k seminar got to do with it?
Chan, VERY cute post about finding Richmond- hehe :o)
So no more Chan!! How come they blocked you Chan? Did some building you were supposed to design fall down and they blamed you?? SHAME on them!! Did they bust you on here? What’s the inside goss?
Pity you won’t be around so much, Chan. Seems people only miss a good thing when it’s gone.