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    Acey, are you worried about your own “junior member” status? You don’t need to- we all know you are incredibly experienced and knowledgeable about RE because you keep telling us.

    Elsewhere, I made a suggestion that we could all lose our stars, as stars are just an arbitrary thing. Certainly, on here, most people (even newer people) don’t give a stuff how many stars people have- usually, people care more about the kinds of things people say. Misinformation is usually corrected by others who know, and any of us are still able to ask questions, no matter how many stars we have, aren’t we?

    I disagree with many of the things people say on here- no matter how many stars they have, or what colour their nickname is, but that’s ok- many people disagree with what I say too.

    Kill the stars or keep the stars, but it’s just a forum for people interested in property- doesn’t matter how many IP’s people have or how old they are. Some people might have no property whatsoever, but their contributions can be incredibly valid and thought-provoking.

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    crj said:

    “There seems to be a fundamental difference between advising someone on the merits of an investment and telling them that the valuation obtained by the bank is for tens of thousands of dollars less than the contract price.”

    Exactly. So the banks loan $160k for a property their own people have valued at 110k? Why do they bother getting valuers unless they have an interest in knowing how much the property they’re loaning for, is actually worth?

    It’s a scam that the banks were knowingly involved in. If we are speaking about responsibility, then we might realise the banks had a responsibility too.

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    Yes, but do we want heat when we buy? A RE agent told me the other day it’s a buyer’s market now, but he would say that [baaa]

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    Pelican,

    Not ALL of us have said that the people were greedy. I know it makes it easier when we all agree, but I just think they were some people buying into a market when there was no boom, wqhen RE wasn’t so popular, and when the ability to do research was not as easy as it is today.

    When I bought my first IP, i had barely a clue as to what I was doing. It was partly good luck that meant I did well. I have seen others on this forum saying that as well about their first foray into property.

    Luckily, I wasn’t surrounded by lying banks, solicitors, and RE agents- that helped.

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    I have no fear, uncertainty or doubt. It’s quite clear really. And that article wasn’t changed. I read it over a number of times. I just find it interesting that Spruiker No. 5 feels so sad about it all.

    It’s funny how people on here get into so much trouble for questioning things. And yet, the Spruiker No. 5 just tells it like it is, and everyone says it couldn’t be so!

    Welcome to upside down land! [upsidedown]

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    Noam,

    Why do you want to sell? Why would you invest such a large amount of money to then sell at a 5% discount? Why do I feel you are pulling our legs? [jealous]

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    kathryn,

    Do you really need to sell? Can’t you keep the place as a rental? Then you can continue to use the equity in the place to keep purchasing other properties. Perhaps when the RE sale contract lapses, you might think of keeping as a buy and hold.

    And kathryn, your price sounds about right. You are in the home of pozz gearers, but you have a right to sell the home for what you think it is valued at, based upon previous sales in the area and the condition of the home.

    If there is going to be further industry in the area, then it’s likely there’ll be demand for your home. You might just have to be a little patient right now if you want to sell :)

    But don’t sell it for a song!

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    Ruggy,

    I’m all for responsibility. But these people were TOLD they had an independent solicitor, and they had major banks backing these scams. The banks had the correct valuation on their desks, but got people to sign for contracts 60k over the valuation!

    I tend to *believe* my solicitors in my dealings with them. Why would these people think they had paid too much when the banks had done valuations and were loaning them money? With their “independent” solicitor assisting them?

    Sheesh- it’s not like these people were fools- they were just trying to buy themselves a holiday house. It was before the boom- not like the prices they paid back then were all about *greed*, Ted. They were just people who probably had a few bucks in the bank and wanted to have an investment.

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    The problem is, that when people bought the two-tiered marketing places, they were then in negative equity and had to sell their PPOR’s if they had one (as was shown on the program). Or some people just tried to sell off the IP as soon as they found out it was a ripoff.

    Remember too, that research wasn’t as easy back then as it is now. There wasn’t the same focus on property. Really, the banks and everyone were just scamming people. Why are we blaming the victim?

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    Ahhh… so the answer is just in believing it can happen huh? And it doesn’t have anything to do with having a job or some savings?

    How does this millionaire in a year thing work, folks? I’d be interested to know how each and everyone in Australia can be a millionaire in a yea. Gee, I really think if it was so possible, that we’d all be millionaires.

    Or is it just “negative” (or reality) thinking that stops us all from being property millioniares in one year?

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    oh come on folks! We know people will believe anything they’re told. Wanna be a property millionaire in a year with a working poor wage and no property? SURE! No problems! And as soon as anyone says it might not occur, the person is slagged off as a negative naysayer.

    Scams and false promises DO occur. We all know that. Talking about it is good. Maybe people will be slightly more cautious now- the mums and dads who watch 60 minutes, and not get dragged into all the RE scams. And plenty of people around here believe all those promises too.

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    What if you have an aim of getting your IP’s paid off before 15 years, yack? And don’t fixed rates limit the amount one can pay off? (just asking this latter question- not sure of the answer)

    Yack, if the RE market slows down to a large extent, the RB may reduce rates to reenergise activity.

    But see me in 15 years, when you have your rates fixed, and mine have risen to 15% and I’ll do a rethink :)

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    Welcome back PG- you’ve been missed by the forum funsters! [hair2] Hope you’re doing well over there. By the way, we split up your IP’s in your absence. I got the caravan. [hmm]

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    Well, as Spruiker no. 5 said recently:

    “Short of blind luck, it’s impossible for anyone to become a millionaire in a year.”

    Spruiker No. 5 also said, “Here’s my apology if you want it: If I have created the impression that people can become millionaires in a year, then I apologise for that perceived error.”

    If it’s good enough for Spruiker No.5 to say that, it’s good enough for me!

    http://jenman.com.au/NewsNews1.php?id=227

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    my take on it hissho, is that they don’t need to use negative gearing, because they don’t actually have the debt on the properties and need the tax breaks. God- look at their incomes. Thry pobably own the properties outright. Neg gearing means keeping oneself in debt. So every time you almost have a property paid out, you keep buying more to keep those tax breaks kicking in.

    Maybe they just go out shopping some weekends and pay cash for a place in wollahra? I doubt they are buying up pozz geared places in broken hill.

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    Sibo,

    Another thing to look at in those (circa 1965 era) unit-intensive areas of queanbeyan is the rents- sheesh, they’re low! $95 for a one-bedder? *boo* *hiss*

    Having said that… actually, when I relooked at Q’beyan last night, there ARE still cheap places to be bought. Much cheaper than goulburn and surrounding areas.

    Best of luck with it, Sibo [strum]

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    Oops- just had another thought about this. eflecting what I was saying above… you know when your house is a [oink]sty, or your car needs a service and a wash… when you clean up your house or car, it only just really brings it back to what it was supposed to be. hehe- don’t know if this thought is worthwhile putting, but it makes it clearer for me :)

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    Reno’s will not automatically increase a valuation. If your reno just brings a place up to scratch, it doesn’t mean it will be valued 20k above your neighbour’s house. It doesn’t mean it will automatically increase the rent either.

    Whilst holes in the walls or a roof falling off will probably *reduce* the valuation, a coat of paint and a cosmetic tidy up will probably merely put the value of your home at what it should be worth in the first place.

    Don;t get me wrong- i think reno’s are fab!! [thumbsupanim] I just think a lot of people think that by bringing a house up to merely tenantable, it will add tens of k’s onto the price. Sometimes it will, particularly if one has bought it undervalued in the first place, but people need to be realistic about the biggest factor in valuations- past sales of other similar properties in the ‘hood.

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    Tank,

    I like to think about successes that have already occurred. If you have some property, you’ll probably already have achieved some CG. It’s pretty motivating when one buys property, and then gets CG and can think- wow, that’s 2 years less I have to work in the future!! [lmao] Remember how past successes have felt and how ya wanna replicate those feelings again- even if those feelings might not occur until the next boom in 7 years ;O)

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    holden,

    Why don’t you check out the new edition of property investor magazine. It has pages and pages of info about predictions of places- including victoria. Be aware though, that victoria’s map of CG is mostly yellow, meaning not much CG, and qld’s is red, meaning more than 25% CP. You might wanna look a bit further afield than vic.

    Check out that mag- it will give you the answers you’re looking for- well, it’s a start anyway. You cxan ask the question a million times over, but you have to do your own research too.

    kay henry
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