awww Scott I think they need to get rid of the family in the foyer to sell that unit- I really do.
It’s interesting about gentirifaction… Alexandria was a big industrial suburb before the boom, and now, after the boom… well, it’s just a big old industrial suburb! Same with Marrickville really- as in it is the same suburb with the same demographic- which I like- btw- but it is the same people who lived there 50 years ago, and live there now. Redfern is the same, chippendale is the same (I love my chippo!) I think it takes generations and decades for places to gentrify- sure, you can put in all the funky cafes, but the old locals will still use the deli and the old pizzerias. Frankly, I think gentrification makes suburbs a lot poorer culturally.
I remember seeing a show on tv about waterloo, and a woman who was a lon-term resident f public housing there said gentrification means that new people in ther neighbourhood sometimes don;t get to know their neighbours, send their kids to local schools, or shop locally… it really can dedgrade the whole community infrastructure- and probably make communities less safe, as people tend to keep an eye on each other in neighbourhoods where folks know each other, whereas if peole are feeling alienated, they tend to see accommodation as utilitarian and as a financial statement, rather than as a “home”.
Until you are in the right paradigm/headspace to accept that you can learn things from others and it is worth paying for this you will stay where you are.
But you have to be careful who you listen to.
Every year I spend thousands attending seminars and each year I learn something new. At one seminar (Brad Sugars) Pam and I paid $7,000 each to attend and I only got one really good idea. But that idea made me millions.
You will find most welathy people invest (not spend) thousands on their education each year and are happy to have high paid advisors.
The poor in general cannot see the benefit of ongoing education, especially after they have left school.
Again the problem lies in whom are you going to pay to educate you.
Michael Yardney
Michael… Fair enough- you probably have a wealth of knowledge about property development. But what you have written above sounds exactly like kiyosaki- the kind of “if you don’t enrol in my course, you are ignorant beyond belief and will die a poor and unhappy person” kind of spiel- I just don’t understand it!
I doubt most rich people do spend thousands per year on seminars as “education”- in fact, I think a lot of people who go to seminars are probably the same people, and therefore think everyone else does it.
Some property investors are the most anti-education people I have ever met. Threy sneer at University (many did not attend themselves), and yet will pay thousands to be told how to think by seminar spruikers- who often work on guilt and fear to get people to pay- something that will NOT happen at University.
I hope seminar leaders are “educating” people to think for themselves, because a lot of seminar “graduates” seem to repeat over and over the same old tired kiyosaki phrases, and I wonder if they are learning to think for themselves, or are comfortable being told how to think by seminar leaders. I guess then, when the tools become outdated from one seminar (eg flipping, deposit bonds on OTP’s etc), the seminar attendee will just go to another seminar to be told what to do again. I am hoping this is not the case, but I am wondering why so many seminar attendees (and indeed, some of the seminar presenters, say EXACTLY the same phrases, like some mantra.
Yes, I educate myself also- but my form of education has forced me to work things out for myself- either agree or disagree- rather than come out to repeat cloches over and over- I think that’s a bit stepford wife-ish.
I am sure your seminars are really interesting, Michael… but some people just want info- because the hypey “you can do it if you think you can, but maybe you’re just not ready to be rich [if you haven’t enrolled in my seminars]” salesperson stuff, gets to sound a little scarey after a while.
What do you consider a “blue chip” investment property? Elsewhere you said Docklands would be a blue-chip investment proposition in 10 years… so I am wondering what your criteria is that makes it so.
Reemmber when flipping was fashionable? Can’t see much difference here- buying for one price, selling for another. I see wrapping as flipping basically- plus the extra interest points.
It’s interesting how the courts interpreted the meaning of uncoscionability in relation to the buyer’s backgrounds:
“…spoke English as a second language. They were inexperienced about financing real property transactions or indeed in understanding commercial transactions generally. They were on a very low income and of limited education.”
It demonstrates how courts view the systemic targetting of the disadvantaged.
It’s also pretty sad that the pastor ripped off his churcho-goers- I hate that kind of hypocrisy- a blight on Christianity.
Thanks for your honest opinion on wolli creek. I guess you’ve seen Rockdale- my god, it looks as if that place will be a slum of the future- how many dozens of unit blocks with 100 generic apartments can there be in one place before they have to drop rents to almost nothing to get tenants.
It’s interesting what you have to say about rental vacancies in WC. There are still properties coming off the plan all over sydney and the fringe suburbs. It’s why I think this “rental squeeze” thing is mostly propaganda, and I agree with you that developers and OTP onsellers would be becoming desperate.
Same goes for Alexandria and Camperdown- so many units built, so many vacancies, and buyers trying to beat the demographics.
It’s a bit of a pity about Green Square- it had so much potential.
Unless the HK seminar attendees were forced into attending, then they can hardly cry poor when the spruiker goes down. Wouldn’t one know that if one paid 36k for seminars, then it would be a waste of money? C’mon.
Not a bad idea at all to split out a “Getting Started” forum board. You could even make it such that new members can only post in this sandpit board until they reach 50 posts or some such. They can still read all the other technical stuff but only post in the other boards when they’re off their L-Plates.
I’m sure the mods won’t go for this though as this forum is very unmoderated.
BTW, I would have had no issue whatsoever posting in a newbie forum until I found my feet and I’m sure this wouldn’t be a disincentive to new users.
Cheers,
Michael.
Michael,
I find this to be very patronising. You may not have minded posting in a newbie forum… but this is the very structured kind of thing that I feel is inappropriate.
It doesn’t matter how many posts a person has, how many IP’s they have, how much kiyosaki they have read… all that really matters is what people have to say- their ideas on RE investing, or technival information; and sometimes, merely the exchange of ideas.
I certainly think that singling out “newbies” as if they are unlearned and have little to contribute… is not something I would be interested in seeing, although I am sure it would make some people feel powerful- some people need that- go figure.
This is a forum- with some good info, and some less than useful info- but what do we want? Only serious posts for serious people? I reckon we can lighten up- this place is not gonna make us or break us as people. Sometimes, when I am feeling particularly intolerant, I just take some time out and do other things- maybe people are obsessing a little too much about forum “quality”- it’s a furphy notion, I reckon.
To my mind, there needs to be some sort of regulation around these “educational” courses to temper the addictions of seminar junkies. I’m not sure why the taxpayer should subsidise the whims and fantasies to the tune of some many thousands in tax returns to individuals who waste such vast amounts of money. Maybe that taxpaer wouyld have been better off spending the 36k on a university course that would have actually made him money and had credibility in the world, rather than being a graduate of some henry kaye “Masters” course or whatever.
Any contract is binding when it’s signed by both of you, without duress, and you can put anything into it. The contract won’t be valid, though- even if signed- if it’s found to be unconscionable (manifestly unfair) or if it’s made with a person under the age of 18 etc.
If I were you, I’d get it checked by a solicitor to see that you’re not breaking any fiduciary laws with the clause, and I’d also draw the attention of the clause to any client who is going to be subject to the clause. The obvious thing is to not discourage any client from seeking legal advice about the clause- courts would look very unfavourably upon anyone who did that- it looks dodge. They also look unfavourably upon small print in contracts.
I’d work out scenarios if I were you- how much interest would the person pay if late for 1 week, 3 months, 1 year etc, just to make sure it doesn’t end up costing a client something that would more be in the realm of a payday loan.
It might have been better if you sold that property at the peak of the boom, when all properties were pretty much being snapped up… many properties have decreased substantially since then- I know people who are so sorry they didn’t sell 18 months ago- sometimes ya just godda go with the boom. Even a property bought five years ago needs to have a plan- think “exit strategy”.
I agree that article was awful- ugh- greg sheridan’s writing looks more suited to a blog than an article in The Australian.
A comment on bracket creep though… I never get why people complain about getting more wages and moving into a higher tax bracket… it’s like being annoyed at paying more CGT because one got more capital gain!
How do these people think we will pay for hospitals, roads, schools, etc etc unless we pay taxes? Tax cuts mean very little to many higher income earners anyway, as many have their income going into trusts (middle class welfare)
I was under the impression that 4 units on one title (not company title) is a usual vanilla deal for lending. Commercial is only if it is above 4 units? s that right?
I do find somersoft to be too sycophantish and hero-worshipping- I find that gets in the way of having differing opinions. I think anyone can puff themselves up and use smug winks to support what we have just read online in the newspaper that morning, but I am not sure that makes for intelligent discourse.
I guess I find ss to be more “selling success” and grandstanding. If people question some members, a whole line of sycophants come to the rescue- whereas I think scrutiny is a good thing- we all can do with it.
I guess I like the more egalitarian nature of this Forum- as an anarchist, I like equality, and not the old “suck up” hierarchies elsewhere.
I check it out sometimes to see if there’s some articles I’ve missed or whatever, but the pomposity of it and the one-upmanship gets a little tedious. It’s a bit “my house is bigger than your house and I have a bigger car” kind of place- a bit “old-mannish”, if you see where I’m coming from.
Having said that, I think Jan Somers has a lot of good things to say, and many of us would have been influenced by her as one of the first good books on RE to come out. Gurus can’t really help how their forums turn out.
Interesting story about the nurse but I would see saving up money for each house to be a rather old-fashioned way of doing things (although I admire her discipline for doing that back in 1989). However, if that lady- of the same means- attempted to start off as a nurse and save wages to buy a house in 2005 in sydney for cash- say 500k… umm- I doubt that’s possible. What does a nurse earn? About 70K? 20k tax? She would have to live with her parents (not desirable to most of us), and nick the hospital food so she could save every cent to buy the house in cash.
Many people get cash via inheritance, a divorce settlement, or some such thing. Starting with NOTHING and saving that initial money for a deposit- with no backup, and noone to bail you out if things go wrong (like parents) is a whole different ball game.
Equity is OUR money- there is nothing wrong with using it. I achieved equity during the RE boom, from a poroperty I bought in a flat market. Had I sold it 4 years earlier, I would have lost money on it, the market was so flat. Then the RE boom came and I made some money- what else would I do with it but invest it?
How mny houses can people buy on a nurse’s wage and paying cash all their lives? As I said, good on her for doing that, but first home buyer DINKs are struggling now- not merely because they spend money on trinkets and toys via credit cards… but because houses are so expensive.
Let’s be real- equity builds wealth if one purchases well.
I read on an aussie bankrupty site (fred appleton?) that by the time people are thinking about bankruptcy, their credit is often so impaired over years of being unable to repay debts, that bankruptcy can be an option.
A few impairments can be such an impediment to lending anyway, that for some, it can seem an equivalent solution. Thre real problem is the STIGMA, plus things like having to ask permission to go overseas etc- ugh.
It would depend for me (if I had money to lend- which I don’t) on the circumstances of the person. I believe it is illegal to loan money to a current bankrupt? But for a discharged bankrupt, it would depend on HOW they became bankrupt.
For example, I would see a failure of a small business differently than I would some sort of scam. I know people who had small businesses and did not have debts repaid to them, and they got into a mess, got sick, and voila- bankrupt city.