SELL SELL SELL! hehe. If I was you, i’d flog it off. The drought has to break eventually, and if the place is so close to the river, it might be under it soon (when the flood breaks, the IP will fall…) despite there being no flood in 100 years of history (which does not determine the future, but might be an indicator [cigar] If your place is worth 260k, but your rental yield is so low (and still will be when you put it up to market rent), I would let it go as an “underperformer”- you don’t need it for your portfolio. Also, the population of the town is so small- 400.. would it sustain new units? Would there be the demand for them?
In these days of techies, it is so much better if people have a website. Their lack of a website is probably not only bad for business, but also makes them look a tad unprofessional.
1HotValuer- can I ask… in purchasing 10 more CF+ properties in australia… is that dependent upon income? I never really got my head around how people could have an average income (presuming a valuer gets around an average <100k income), and still buy 10 properties. Will they be wraps? How do you finance an additional 10 properties in 6 months? Let’s presume the properties are around 80k each- that’s 800k of property purchase in one year. How do you do it?
Yes Karl and Rita, I would buy sight unseen. I would be doing every piece of research I could on the city or town I could find (google.com.au). I would compare other properties. I would ring up local RE’s and ask all manner of questions about areas in that locality. As Monopoly said, get lots of pics of the property. It does help if you have *some* indication of the area. Ask people on here if they know of the area, or do a search on here or on somersoft.com A Building and Pest Inspection will cost you about 300-400 bucks. That’s a must for sight unseen properties. I have no issue with sight unseen properties, but if the property is a bit raggedy, then you’ll have to be more diligent in your researching.
Keep the questions coming, Karl and Rita- knowledge is power The more knowledge you have, the more confident you’ll be in your purchase Sometimes, you may have to pull out too- that takes its own type of confidence- if the plan isn’t working, you can always say no. An offer and acceptance is only binding after both parties have signed the contract (and there may or may not be a cooling-off period). If you have to pull out, do so.
I copmpletely agree that we should have a pension- absolutely! My query was about the use of that statistic. It’s derived from the 1996 census, and I think people should be updating their data. I do know that those kind of statistics have been used to scare people into get rich quick programs.
Well, if a job is all about prostitution, then just call me a big ol’ hooker )) Tell me, why would anyone bother to become trained or skilled in any area if they didn’t want to do that during their lives? Carpenter, mechanic, librarian… perhaps these people love wood, cars, books… Why are we prostitutes because we love what we do? Guess it’s good to be a happy hooker though, than a sad one.
Yes, those articles can be depressing, for sure. I remember reading about stuff like that over the years, and particularly when I first started reading about it, I became quite down and felt powerless.
With regards to RE, I wrangled with the ethics of it all about a decade ago. I figure if I can charge reasonable rents, do the right thing by tenants, and maybe one day have my own home, then I am not doing anything outside of what I think is ok. I wish there was more public housing, but the government has relinquished its responsibility. For a number of years, I charged rents that were under what the Dept of housing charged, just to ensure I wasn’t being exploitative.
Having said this, the old activist chant of “property equals theft” was said to me the other day by a friend- hehe. I hadn’t heard of it for a while! You can be an activist, and keep your sense of what you think is right and wrong, and still enjoy real estate, I reckon.
Oops, Karl and Rita- in answer to your Q, as others have said, it doesn’t meet the 11 second rule/guideline thing, but if it suits *you*, and you think it’s a good deal, then go for it!!! I personally think the rental is good relative to the price. But there’s so much more to consider- the location, population, employment, age of the house, possible repairs, ongoing tenancy possibilities, is it in a floodzone?
When it comes down to it, you are the ones who will be paying it off and looking after it, so you have to decide if it’s suitable to your current financial position and to your psychology. If it is what you might consider “lowe risk” as an investment, then it might suit your “sleep at night” factor, if you are a low risk type. To me, if a place has redeeming features, then that can win me over, more than a place that might have a better return, but I worry about it because of other factors. The sleep at night factor is sooo important to me- i don’t wanna have a heart attack at 45, and not be able to enjoy the fruits of my labour (right now, my fruits are a couple of bananas). hehee.
Yes Ma’am, I pay 8%. That means I pay a total of $16.00 a week for an onsight Manager. Before my new teant came in, my OM came into my place and painted a wall for me- for nix- and without me asking, because the previous owner did a dodgy job, and the OM didn’t like it.
$16.00 a week to have someone keep the complex absolutely immaculate is not much of a price to pay, in my book. I am not gonna haggle over a buck or two. She’s a good chick, my OM, and sometimes, if you want to get good service, then you have to pay for it. To me, that’s all about building relationships. It also helps when things go wrong. For example, I paid maxi amount to my RE agent to sell a place of mine, and then, when things weren’t working in the sale ie vendors pulled out, and things got complex, I had two of these agents working their hearts out for me. Sometimes it pays… to pay.
How can you tell if someone is checking your profile? Didn’t know we had that function? And people check others’ profiles all the time. Sometimes you might like what someone has to say so you check out what ELSE they’ve said elsewhere.
So how do you find out if someone’s been looking at your profile?
ezy, it’s fine, and the topic came up within a topic, so it’s not really off-topic I have no doubt sexism still exists within RE, so probably, does racism, and so probably does ageism- as in, people getting treated worse because they are older (or younger!) and not taken seriously. It’s good you’ve mentioned it- a reminder that we still need to challenge that stuff.
I haven’t noticed anyone particularly being angry towards you, but if they have been… well, welcome to any internet discussion forum!! As investors, people are passionate, and they sometimes vehemently disagree with the opinions of others – particularly about strategies or perspectives. Some will say “I don’t agree” some will say “That’s crap!” and some might go further into the realm of abuse. Disagreement is ok, abuse is not.
Some people on here want facts. So they want info about tax, or laws or policies. Sometimes, it helps to back up stuff with links, so that people can know hey’re receiving correct info (but still, people should caveat emptor). But most of the Forum is about people exchanging ideas. There’s room here for everyone’s ideas, Rob. Most of us have had our perspectives shot to pieces all over the place. That’s ok. If our ideas are sustainable, you can refute what people have to say, or sometimes, you might just let it go. Generally, when it’s about “opinion” (as opposed to “fact”), there’s not really right or wrong- just a bunch of people of different ages, genders, cultures, strategies… all with one thing in common- our interest in real estate!
A thick skin can help [cap] but you don’t have to cop abuse – noone does. But keep posting, and hopefully, you’ll come to enjoy this place as much as the rest of us do )
To be frank, I had a rather large night on Thursday night, and now, my body and mind are screaming for me to be good, healthy, and domestic. So i am trying to be all good )
Jambro, any of these properties that are for sale for unpaid rates or are mortgageee sales, have to be sold for market value or as close as they can get to it anyway. It’s not like they will sell it for whatever is owed on the property these days.
Justto provide an alternative perspective here, you said:
“Noone in my circle of influence is involved with IP’s at all. They are all happy to work in a job and rely on their “super”, this is not acceptable for me or I imagine many of you.”
I do know many on this forum board wish to resign from their jobs and retire early. But you can also work in paid employment AND invest. Generally, we have to get income from somewhere to invest. Whether that’s a steady income stream from shares, small business, or employment, I have yet to see any evidence of people not working (in some capacity) and being able to invest- that is, if they start NOW.
Also, think about how much income from IP’s you might need to *replace* your current income from work. Say you currently earn 50k, or about 1000 bucks per week. Say you buy into CF+ houses and earn a net profit of 50 bucks per week from each. That’s 20 CF+ houses you’ll need.
If you negative gear, then you’ll be not receiving any extra money oer IP, but may be paying OUT 50 bucks a week.
I am just not sure how this retirement thing works. Wouldn’t it be a strategy to invest in IP’s and ALSO have a job? You can have 300k superannuation to live off PLUS your profits from IP’s. Plus, work also provides mny other things- use of skills, social benefits, long service leave (3 months paid leave PLUS your usual wage during it).
Kylie, why I’ve written this post is because I think working can “work” too- it doesn’t inhibit one’s investment strategies- I believe it enhances one’s opportunities.
Me too Jo. I like taking risks on other areas of lifestyle- give me a 10 on that score. But when it comes to money, well, I don’t want to end up a bag lady, so I am not sure it’s good to risk it all on red or black.
As others have already said, you are not taxed at 47 cents in the dollar except when your income reaches the highest level in that bracket. So you would only be taxed at that rate for each dollar you earn oer 62k. also check the new levels since the Budget was brought down.
It’s a myth that each second job is taxed at 50 cents in the dollar. If you are earning 35k in your first job, then you have another 27k to earn in your second job until you kick into the highest bracket. Just tell the accountant at your new job what you are earning in your first job, and they’ll adjust your taxation level accordingly.
Congrats Mel, your posts are always awesome! And thanks for the congrats to me too. I’ve written some words to you below in white, to match your dog’s body- hope you can see them:
One of the great things about a chat room would be being able to see a person who has specified knowledge and actually having a conversation with them and being able to ask them questions and have them answered. Messaging is useful, but it still doesn’t have the immediacy of chat. So you see a QS or a Mortgage broker or someone who’s doing what you want to do re investment, and you can ask if you can speak to them, and then have a private conversation with them. I remember having a phone conversation with Simon (MortgageBroker) once, and him telling me immediately how much I could borrow given my current finances. It was certainly motivating! Chat is like the phone- only quieter
Yay for an upcoming chat room!
kay henry
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