Marc, you’ll find it ebbs and flows around here. I asked the same question some months ago. On the good side, a lot of the old regulars have shifted back! [strum] People come, people go, on every forum. And new people sign up every day, so it balances
a townhouse is a unit- just a tall one. A townhouse is over two floors, a unit is “lowset” or on one level. A townhouse has its own (small) front and back yard or courtyard perhaps, whereas a unit probably just has a common recreational space. Units can go up 20 floors or whatever. Really, you’d be looking at the needs of tenants if it’s an IP. Many people would want their own space and yard etc- others don’t. Families might want a townhouse, urban folk might be happy with a balcony- depends. Really, you’d be looking at size more than anything. Studio units can be tiny. Banks have an issue with them and want 30% deposit generally, same goes for 1-bedroom units under 50sq metres, or some city units.
Just depends on what you want and what you think is good value. If you have any more specific questions, it might be easier to answer.
Also, you don’t actually own the land on a townhouse. It’s split up between you all- but because there’s no seperate title, units don;t really have land value as such. Same rules apply though for views and stuff. Depending on how big your townhouse is, dandan, you get “units of entitlement. So they add up all the square metres of space, and then they divide that up. Generally, if you have a 50sq metre apartment, and someone else has 100 square metres, then that person might pay double what you pay- or at least a bit more.
As Celivia said, you don’t have your own separate title. Hencew, you pay body corporate fees. These will pay to fix up any common areas- be it roof, grounds, pipes etc. Some people don’t like paying this BC fee- I don’t mind, because it means problems get fixed, and everyone contributes. Beware buying into a place where you have to pay “special levies” though- you might have to pay 5-15k for repairs or for new gym equipment for the gym or whatever [glum] Get a Body Corporate minutes check done before you purchase to check for special levies or any building problems etc.
In addition to paying BC fees, you’ll also be subject to water rates, and council rates. In some areas, council rates on units are capped.
I won’t pay BC fees over 1200 per annum, but they can go up to 4500 per annum for the cost of maintaining a pool, gym etc etc that a lot of the new complexes have- too much for me
a) Whether your first porperty was a PPOR or an IP,
Investment property
b) What made you think about buying a first property
Somers’ book, plus my father had a passion for RE as did my grandfather
c)When you found the one you bought, why do that one suit?
It wea the cheapest me and my ex could find
d) Was the first purchase emotive or done under proper due diligence.
Emotion (absolute excitement!) We also had some savvy about location and kept an eye on the market. As to the property, we were as clueless as Mel – hehe, Mel
There isn’t a space on this forum to advertise to sell your property, nthqld. There is a forum on somersoft.com called “caveat emptor” where you can advertise your property.
Check out rentcover.com.au as an initial look as to what LPI covers. The website covers what their pamphlet covers. I haven’t got LPI at the moment- when I did need it, I didn’t have it ) Then of course I got it, and didn’t need it anymore- hehe. I look at my IP’s and at the moment, I consider them fairly “low risk” in terms of my tenants. I could be wrong, of course. But you can always find out what the entitlements are, see if you think it is worth it, and then do a risk assessment on your own IP’s to see if some of them or one of them might fit into what you consider is “risky”.
There are some great photos on their pamphlet of the damage an 8 year old did when her “play went too far”. hehe- holes in the walls etc- must have been some wild kid- quite the tantrummer! [angry2] So “accidental damage” is covered too, as well as malicious damage etc.
Check out the “premiums” section- interesting to see that Tassie has the cheapest prices and NT has the highest! Second highest is- you guessed it- NSW.
Caveat emptor with that coy- I don’t know them and can’t recommend them, but it’s a good read on what’s available.
sis, you asked about loss of rent. You need Landlord Protection Insurance to cover loss of rent, malicious damage, fire and theft. If you haven’t got it thus far for your 12 IP’s, then you might need to move some money around and pay the 4k for it.
You asked “surely one doesn’t need a partner to buy a house?” I think it depends- on so many things, but mostly on the incomes of the individuals. Two incomes of 25k is 50k. Two incomes of 50k is 100k. How can that not make a difference? My issue would be portability and independence/autonomy. I did own two IP’s with my ex. And then we split them in the divorce :o) I felt *totally* comfortable buying with her, and then worried about havingto actually be independent. But now, I am happy to control my own finances. I think having joint finances with *any* person is like having a relationship- as long as you are moving along the same path and want the same things, it all works out ok. But when you both want to do different things, it’s trouble. One wants to sell, and the other doesn’t… then you have all kinds of exit charges blah blah…
But really, if you have worries about your own serviceability, and you’re compatible, and you trust each other and can make a watertight contract, and you have the psychology to deal with it… it would suit many.
I had a check of an API- an example of CB’s property is a 289k 4-bed house around cairns for $350 rent. From my reading of this, that’s a 6% return. So they are using depreciation allowance to make it become CF+. Thr houses are new and gorgeous looking, and may not be a bad price, but I wish these companies would say they have “yields of 6%, growing to 9% using depreciation” or something.
My questions would be… is there really a stable rental demographic who can afford 350 bucks a week rent for the long term? (ie why aren’t they buying these places for themselves if they can afford such high rental?)
If the market rental is actually much less than that (which would be similar to two-tier marketing, where rentals were so much lower than advertised), then your property becomes of much more dubious value.
Having said that, I do think 289k for a new 4-bedder around cairns is a decent price. But can a family (apparently the targeted demographic given the look of the housing) afford it?
I can’t find anything (of interest) in google.com.au about cameron bird.
Well thanks Derek. I did think that was the case. The Forum must have gone a little high tekker than I thought if we could check who’s been checking our profiles.
“He inspects a house “live” and debates among other things the need for re-paining a wall becuase the tenenat put a nail to hang a picture on it. His exit phrase from the place was “See you at the tribunal!”
So much for a tenant having an entitlement of “quiet enjoyment” at their premises…
He sounds like a right tosser to me. As an investor, I wouldn’t touch him with a ten-foot pole. Tenants are an asset. A PM like that sounds like a liability.
Just because your PM’s company “lives” at the Tribunal, doesn’t mean he’s a good PM. Perdonally, I would see it as more of a reference if the PM has NEVER been to the Tribunal, rahter than one who lives there. Prevention is better than cure.
I don’t haggle with PM’s about their prices they charge, just like I don’t haggle with my solicitor, or for that matter, with prices at the chemist.
My Sydney PM will cost me 7% of rent for a property in the city.
sis, yes, i understand the shares example- I got Jamie McIntyre’s video too- and i watched it, just like you did. That example was from his video.
It’s just that you bought all those properties, and if you’re saying the following:
“…the money goes in one deal, and then comes out again, but at the same time, so does the profit, move on to the next deal and keep putting money in, and then taking it out and collecting the profit at the same time…”
… then I’m just wondering does that mean you have sold off IP’s (therefore having to pay 100% CGT on properties sold under 1 year of ownership). How does this “moving money around” work in a practical sense? Sorry if my question wasn’t clear before. I could give people all manner of examples of how to do things from videos and textbooks, but I just want to know how it works for you.
As a renter, I wish I could tell you how I am buying my PPOR, but I am not doing it, and don’t even think about getting a PPOR. Fortunately,pretty much everyone I know and work with, is a renter- with or without IP’s. The old “great aussie dream” thing doesn’t really exist in my world, so I find it easier and easier to move away from the idea of PPOR to just invest in IP’s. I imagine if I was socialising with people who all owned PPOR’s, then i would feel that kind of social expectation to get one, but when your peers are renting, it feels kind of normative to rent.
One day, I will get my PPOR probably- maybe it will be one of my IP’s. But I reckon had I bought a PPOR instead of an IP when I did, I would have buggar all now- and would have had to rely on CG only.
If you rent cheaply enough, in a neighbourhood you like, then that non-deductible rent becomes a dip in the ocean compared to the non-deductible mortgage payments i would have to buy a place. Also, to get the kind of house I would want as a PPOR, I would have to pay probably 700k in sydney- and I just don’t have that kind of money.
If you have heaps of cash, then go for the PPOR, but if you buy well enough, you can just sell off an IP after a few cycles, and pretty much pay cash for a PPOR that suits you. If I had money from CF+ (eg $50 X 10 props), I would be spending that $500 a week on buying more properties. Either that, or i’d use that money to pay off some of the mortgages on those properties.
One strategy would be to use the profits (the cash flow) of your IP’s to invest in a PPOR, and then to use your wages to reinvest in IP’s (hence reducing your taxable income). If you don’t have a wage, but have retired and living on IP returns, then you have to live on your returns (wage replacement), and make do with that money.
sis, in practical terms, does this mean that, for example, you sold some of the 12 IP’s that you bought in 2003 and 2004, and then reinvest the money? “moving money around” sounds all good, but what does it actually mean in practise? If I said the easiest and safest way to make money (as per title) is to “move it around”, I think people might want to know what that means.
Yes, I’m glad you didn’t raise the rent on the pensioner- they only et 200 bucks a week, and it must be hard to spread that around. Good on you for doing the right thing
I have to say exy, that a rise from 85k to 600k is quite substantial! Did you buy this place a long time ago? If it is 600k for a bit of land in country nsw, with a population of only 400, then it must be one of those “boutique” places (like Berry, or Lorne in Vic). Most places of small populations that I know in rural nsw, have land values of a few hundred per block, so you’re doing well!!
I think if one wishes to sell, and you have already made almost a 1/2 million on your purchase of 85k, cute your profits, and run off and put your successes somewhere else [thumbsupanim]
kay henry
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