Marc, yeah, I’ll go (Marc willing!) Can you ring the number and we can get some more tickets? Someone mentioned this the other day- advertised in the SMH or somewhere. We could make it a bit of a party Marc. Of course, it would be a party with just the two of us- but why have all the fun to ourselves when we could share it around?? hehe.
Someone on here said that John McGrath (of McGrath Real Estate, sydney, and owner of realestate.com.au) is speaking at that one too. And Marc, given you don’t value philanthropy and free things, I’d be happy to take them off your hands for you.
Seems highly irregular for people to say it doesn;t matter if one has negative equity… Sure, we can just keep paying off our debt. We now have 600k of assets and 1.2million debt… Oh No! Only last month it was 700k of assets- oh well, never mind- who cares? [confused2]
Our assets are supposed to *grow* not shrink. Talk about negative gearing in a big way “Yeah, my assets lost half their value last year- that must mean i’ll get a good tax return!!”
You owe 180k on it, so you’d hardly sell it for 180k- why start over when you’ve just begun?
Beachside property- might be some chance of CG there over a few years. If I was you I’d buy and hold, and wait until the next cycle. Until then, you can maybe do some improvements for the tenants and get some more rent, and add some money into your mortgage to reduce the debt- then you’ll feel like the burden isn’t so big
Remember, values are falling- and selling under 12 months means any CG you get will be eaten up by CGT.
The next few properties can be CF+.. you might have to let this one go for growth!
Dunno who you are, but you only have 1 post here. You may be friend, foe, or stranger of westan- not sure- can’t tell from your post :0) Anyhoo, I guess you’re entitled to ask a question about a Forum member. Westan does do some spotting, so if someone wanted to know if they should do business with someone, guess this is a way to ask.
Glad noone has asked the good and bad points of kay henry- how embarrassing!! I am sure noone on here would respond with anything but kind words for westan
ggump- you don’t happen to be westan himself do ya? Having a bad day and needing some affirmation? awww )
Julie, a 1980 house should be in pretty good nick. Get your solicitor to check the age of the house though. They can do that through Council. If you think the house is older than 25 years, it may have been that the house was relocated to the block of land (I’ve had 1st hand experience of this). A builder can tell you the approximate age of the house if need be.
Make sure you get a building and pest inspection.
And yes, as to your original question, this is a positive CF place, as opposed to a growth place. If that’s what you’re looking for, and the numbers stack up, and there’s a possibility of tenant supply… it could be a fun purchase
I used an example- 105% loan (which a lot of forumites seek) and a percentage of lost value- I used 10% so as to not sound like a drama queen- I could have used % drops of 20%.
If prices are falling, you can STILL build equity- just add more money to your mortgage- I don’t think that is such illegitimate logic, although you might.
I am not suggesting people should buy at peak prices anyway. If one buys well, negative equity may not be an issue. Also, not borrowing 105% will help people’s financial situation. Your property may still go down 10% but if you have equity built up or building up, you’re less likely to sink than you are to swim.
Yep- this would be happening in many places in Australia right now. Say you bought a place in docklands recently, got 105% loan to cover all costs… and your property declined 10% in value… do the maths.
This 105% loan stuff- ugh- it’s a shocker! No equity at all, and then the market changes. In a softening market, we should now be BUILDING equity, not finding ways to have 100% (or 105% debt).
residentialwealth, it’s not like the banks are going to be doing margin calls of people for the foreseeable future, but negative equity is absolutely possible. When the boom was so hot, and noone thought the bubble would burst (you’d be called a naysayer and a tyrekicker if you auggested such a thing!) notions of negative equity would only be used about Japan and other far away markets… but think about it- the decline is REAL- time to top up your equity!!
hehe Celivia… and out of the goodness of MY heart, I’ll buy it off you for a song! Yep, you’d never meet a bigger bunch of saints than property investors [angel]
You initially mentioned fully furnishing the place. I’ve thought of that strategy too, but the problem is when something breaks down. If you supply everything for the house, then you as the owner are responsible for replacing stuff- TV, DVD player, fridge, dryer… can you afford it? Sure, it might be good for depreciation, but how much does it cost to furnish a house? And even if you put cheap stuff- cheap furniture etc… you will attract a certain type of tenant. Sometimes, the kind of tenants who don’t have their own beds… don’t have them for a reason too. You either have to furnish for “executive” tenants (and is there the market there- for, say, business people on a 1-year contract, or at the lower end of the market. As for me- and I am a tenant- I wouldn’t want to be sleeping on a second-hand bed, so you have to think about that stuff.
Be careful not to overcapitalise in this market. Will you be able to recoup the 5-10k you spend on furniture, reno’s or whatever improvements you make?
You could always put heat bulbs in the bathroom- mmmm- yummy for tenants in winter :o)
In financial terms, I reckon having my salary and about that again from RE investments would be about right for me But it would take me to retirement to actually get that from RE. Meaning that I’d have to actually have my IP’s paid off to get that kind of money. I’d have to double the amount of IP’s I currently have to get the rental returns to equal my current salary, but what is the point of having rental returns if they just pay off your mortgage? So I’ll probably be able to buy the IP’s I need in the next few years, and then have them paid off in about 15 years Then I can retire with super plus my current salary- modest financial notions, but I’d be stoked with that outcome!! [biggrin]
I would be super happy with that kind of money that was mentioned in the original post. Even if I could never afford a house in sydney- well, that’s bad luck- it’s good to be satisfied with one have. Striving constantly is not my goal in life- it’s to be happy with where i am now- every day ;O))
paul_s, you said if you can’t save, you’ll never be rich. That’s why I have investments- compulsory savings. Then it’s not my “choice”- it’s just something I have to do. It’s completely out of my hands. Like if a child had their pocket money put into a bank instead of the child spending it- that’s how I see RE. The bank is my mum, and each week, they take my pocket money- hehe. Childish? Yes. Does it work for me? Yes.
Jo, as for the pension… I agree, it will pretty much have disappeared when I am 65. But because I am employed, then my super will be a nice addition to any investments I have. I also want to have my properties paid off before I am 65- would be a bummer to still be paying out debt when you’re old- heart attack material.
Pisces, wouldn’t you just be buying constantly as part of your strategy? Why wait? The market is so soft now that it’s a buyer’s market. Perferct timing, I reckon.
I remember a few months ago- at more peakish boom time, investors were saying people were mad to buy now, and they wouldn’t be buying for years. I think the worm has turned.
Pisces, will you be looking at pozz or neg geared properties with your current gold?
Caveat emptor folks! The thing about being registered with ASIC is that there are certain obligations and you’d know that the person registered is able to run a company etc.
What about all these partners “parting with their money”? Anyone amongst them got a criminal record for fraud???
Back to my simplistic approach :o) Paying off IP’s means I can afford more IP’s. If I pay an IP off in 7 years, then I can use that built up equity to buy more. People say one can’t afford to keep borrowing if one has neg IP’s. But one CAN if one pays off the IP’s at a more rapid rate. In fact, I reckon it is not a snail’s approach, but a hare’s approach :o) I have always seen “investment” as something one puts *into* and I am happy to chuck my money into a loan to have it paid off more quickly. Why was Anita Bell’s book such a best-seller? Because some people still want to pay off their places- then you can keep borrowing, increase equity etc. But I do NOT have the Anita Bell practice of living like a pauper until you have your place paid off- that to me is a waste of a life.
I would hate to hand the keys back on an IP [glum] Awful. The less we owe on ONE IP, the more IP’s we can buy! [party] And isn’t that the point?
Tinkerbell- re your question… there are many Mortgage Brokers on this site- sometimes it doesn’t matter whether they live in your region or not- a lot of stuff can be done over the phone. A very good friend of mine on here had hers donew with a very good Mortgage Broker on here, and was extremely pleased with his professionalism and the deal he got for the IP. Check out the Brokers on here, their websites… and also, the way they answer questions and their style. Honestly, if someone carries on in your home they way they carry on in here, would you let them in?
A quick reference to the [offtopic] discussion on gender… there are aggressive people of both genders out there, and decent people of both genders.
kay henry
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