What’s confusing you there, Ted? ) I said Taxes are not fundamentals to me- god, I’d be a basketcase if i just freaked out every time a new tax came in. I don’t get joy when a tax break comes in and have a breakdown whenever a tax decision might go against investors. (In fact, I think we should pay taxes- I know- wierd huh?) Soi taxes have little to do with decisions I make. In fact, let’s look at the exit duty in nsw. What it meant was that the market chilled a bit in nsw, but i also have a place in Qld- so perhaps the nsw duty was advantageous to me in some way, becaudse some nsw investors took their purchasing power there. But looking at nsw, the market cools a bit due to a tax, so now property becomes more affordable, so I can buy in nsw. Not only that, but I can buy in the middle of sydney! What the tax meant to me is that now I have a firm buy and hold strategy, so I bought this property with that in mind. So perhaps the new fundamental (based on the tax (not a fundamental) is that the place I buy has to not fall down over the next however many years But that would be a fundamental to me anyway.
Ted, I put in my list of fundamentals, future development. I know there is a great deal of development happening in the place where I bought. The nature of the development will mean that it will be good for my property when it occurs.
Each property can have a distinct set of things to consider really, but an urban property has a set tha stand out. Probably the same set would really apply for my investing anyway.
Anyhoo, did Mr Sutton get a bank loan? If so, the bank valuation must have come up to scratch. I mean, Derek, I could go out now, get some crap valuation on an IP, and then say the developer I bought the property off gave me a wrong valuation. As forum members on here have mentioned, they get different (and crappy) vals all the time- who hasn;t at some stage?
I’m all for people not getting ripped off. But I just think the valuation business today- sheesh- perhaps it needs an overhaul too? Derek, I know we’re on the same wavelength here Just adding more thoughts as they come up
A case of instant nequity, Derek? I reckon vals aren’t worth the paper they’re written on personally (sorry 1Hot!!) The only true value is what the market will pay. Getting a “true” valuation is like finding out the “true” state of the market- is it residex? APM? REIV?
Valuers come up with vastly different prices for places. It’s a very inexact science.
“A common question I’ve heard when talking early retirement is, “but what would you do with all that time?” Easy. Enjoy myself by doing anything I want, not because someone told me to (a boss). I generally think people who pose this question must have few hobbies or can’t think of the possibilities.”
wewaz- I think it’s great if you are truly happy doing whatever it is you do in your leisure time I guess I just see life as many things- a combination of leisure and using one’s skills for other things- like work. Life to me is a balance, and work sits happily- for me- in that balance.
Many of hte people on this board who talk about “retirement” also say how much they hate their job. Many of the already “retired” ones, used to hate their job. That’s why people talk about the “rat race”.
There is a common saying “If you enjoy your work, you will never work a day in your life.” I like that saying- why not “retire” into ones work? :o)
But for all those who are able to retire and do all the things they love: [thumbsupanim] Just a question… Whayt kind of income would people feel comfortale to have in “retirement? I am particularly interested in the experiences of those who have already retired early… 50k? 100k? Less? More?
I couldn’t care less about the validity, reliability or representativeness of the sample, etc. I was interested in the sentiment behind it :o)
So you are saying you don’t mind of your guy is ugly as long as he’s brainy- ok, that’s fair enough :o) Brains before beauty is de rigeur for you.
Anyone else like a negative-geared guy? Good to look at, a real manbag, the returns are not so good, and you keep waiting hopefully for the boom for a bit of emotional growth? Or do you prefer the pozz geared guy- the emotional returns are great, but he’s not so pretty to look at?
I disagree, krazystyler… I believe McFarlane’s comments are reporting *on* the state of the market, not creating it… What are you worried about? If the market drops, you can buy more IP’s.
In an evidence-based way, krazystyler, why do you think his comments are “crap”? Have you not noticed a cooling of the market? Do you have any other comments to support your words besides it just being all “crap”?
Well, Pisces- seems I may as well put my muscles away [angry2] as they’re useless in 2004. Apparently Aussie women prefer snags. Time to change my strategy?
LSM, You win!! You must have women flocking to you with your snaggy poetry!
Seriously though, in that study, only 56% of women want their guy to be sexy. I don’t understand that. What do women think? Sexiness not on your list of “must haves”? Prefer your guy to get his arms all over the dirty dishes instead of all over you?
Thanks wayne for posting that :o) When Ian McFarlane says it, people should listen, I reckon. Oh well, buyer’s market!!
Wayne, as a matter of interest, you invest in IP’s, yes? I know you do shares also, but are you into property? Will you be buying in this flatter market, wayne?
Watch it, LonelySingleDude, or I’ll moderate you and your bad poetry into oblivion! [biggrin] Oops- I forgot, as a Moderator, I am supposed to be “moderate” :o)
Put yer muscle where your metaphor should be, LSG! [goatee]
Personally I think women like muscles :o) Poetry is definitely passe. I think women want tough guys… but I am sure some women want snags- hehe. Tough works though, with some women (thank god)
Wez, I am not suggesting my workplace is not full of politics and bureaucracy either- work has hurdles, of course! But sitting around watching the cricket all day- well, how long can a person do that before they become bored and restless? It’s not hugely different to the life of an unemployed person. Many people become depressed when not engaged in employment. I am not sure what the difference is between this cricket life and unemployment. I think I’d stagnate.
“I think most of us here would want to work any time and any where they want.”
Well, my perspective of many Forum members is that they do NOT want to work at all! Sorry- that’s the impression I get- because that’s what people say in here- a lot.
And Chan- ok- if one gets sick- as in really sick, like cancer or something… well, life isn;t going to be great anyweay- no matter how much your money is working while you sleep… but aside of cancer or something serious, work means that I don’t get sick! It provides me with focus, I have things that need to get done, it’s great social interaction, and uses my skills- sorry, I just don’t get the anti-work thing.
I know some people have been employed in really bad jobs, make little money, have barely any autonomy at work, and generally hate their work. I think if people hate their job… then of course they see work as a reflection of that- instead of seeing the real benefits of work- both financially and personally. Work can be so good for self-esteem, and it allows one to do so many other things- including being able to afford to realise one’s dreams. Work is great! [biggrin]
Well, with me, price is always a factor. But I know a price drop whn I see it, because I study particular markets closely. For the property I bought, I had followed it for 4 years. That’s diligent. My fundamentals are price, location (including population), tenancy factors, age of building, future development etc. Taxes have nothing to do with it for me- they come and go- like sands in the hourglass…
Put DA FUN [clown] back in MENTALS [mad]
How far will the market drop? Dunno. That is also not a fundamental for me. I’d like to buy every year, if I can- any market conditions will be ideal for me, if I buy well. If the market drops, then I can afford more properties… if the market lifts, then I achieve CG. Win/win for me/me!
I’ll take the non-accounting approach, as others have covered (more capably than I could) the writing off debt bit.
If your bro is worried, and I wouldn’t blame him (I am a conservative, quite debt averse type)… then I think you need to take into account his concerns. Whilst 550k might be a capital loss… it is still a loss, and any tax gains you can get on it, will still be on a loss. It’s basically a neg gearing approach- you make gain on a loss- but you still have a loss.
It sounds like you have a more high risk approach than your brother. Remember, financial stresses can be a significant health risk to some people. It’s one of the big stress factors in life, and that needs to be acknowledged- how he;s dealing with the debt of 550k (significant in anyone’s books, I reckon).
If it was me, I’d sell off an IP (or two). Remove that debt, cut your losses, and you’re still in a good financial position.
For me, that would be one of the problems with partnerships… mistakes are made, losses occur, people panic.. one wants to get into more ventures to cover the debt, the other wants to sell and start again… and it can be hard to come out with a solution which suits both. If you have one high risk partner and one conservative partner, each hopefully can care enough about the other to not lose either (a) the shirt off their backs or (b) their relationship. (a) is obviously super important- no less than (b)
coops- please provide more details so we know what we’re talking about when we give our long-winded, gasbagging, hot-air reply- hehe :o) Oops- I was channeling me!!
Seriously, we need more detail to answer properly.
My guess is that the new lender will use a new valuation- you think they are not gonna squeeze every cent out of you? hehe- that’s why they’re called “banks” and not “charities” [biggrin]
I am glad you are [inlove] with your IP. It’s better than it making you feel like this: [puke] Sounds like a great place, NEWGEN- Congratulations on your purchase )
kay henry
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