It would also depend upon one’s income, yes? I mean, if a person was a very low income earner, it is pretty hard to accumulate property at a great rate. I think there are so many factors affecting how well we can do in RE. I reckon income has to be a “fundamental” as to how wealthy we can become. Your thoughts on this, Del? Others? Let’s look at (for the sake of consistency) an income earner of, say, 20k. That’s gotta be difficult to buy at the same rate as someone on 100k.
Yes, you might get $2 a week… but that means you have an asset you are paying NOTHING for- the tenant is paying it off for you in its entirety. Of course, for a 56k property, it may be in such poor condition that the roof might fall off- who knows? And if interest rates rise, well, your property may become negatively geared. Also, rural properties may not do so well in an economic meltdown. If unemployment rises, leading to interest rate rises.. and your tenants up to leave to a city so they can get employment… well, triple bummer for your investment.
If you spend double the amount for a property, your investment might not be completely subjected to economic conditions. Think population, infrastructure, employment, age of building, etc etc.
Sometimes it’s about quality, not quantity. There is so much you can read- read everything you can, and come up with a range of desirabilities you’re looking for in an investement
Sad how some people need to call the victim in this scam stupid. Seems she tried to get outside knowledge but was prevented from doing so. Anyhoo, I guess victims are often called stupid. I remain unsurprised at the response.
I’m surprised that, on an income of 120k, you are only able to borrow 750k. wow- some of the people on here have an income of pretty much nothing, and tell tales of borrowing millions!
I would imagine you should be able to buy your dream property as your LVR would still only be @ 70%. I reckon a good Mortgage Broker on here could sort you out
Yep, the eastern suburbs are a very good long-term investment in Melbourne, I think. Good old establishment areas- I think you can’t go wrong with them. I think the OTP markets are skewing the melbourne market in general. I don’t think the eastern suburbs will suffer drastically. You have generations of families who will always create demand there.
Melvin, could you explain a little more about Malaysia’s second home program? Or provide a link to info about it, please?
If it has strata fees, it’s must be a unit. Units were not built prior to the mid 60’s, so it can’t really be more than 40 years old (unless it was a house that was turned into units or something). How come the rent is so high if it is in a smallish place?
I don’t understand why americans make such a big deal about their IR’s- ours rise and rise, as do India’s and NZ’s IR’s, and it all passes without a moment’s glance. The Americans have been talking up this IR rise for so long- i wish they’d just hurry up and do it!
As for us, I doubt their measly IR rise will affect us. Our market conditions are still pretty stable.
The RE agencies are in your town because it’s coastal, and that in itself sets up demand, and contains a RE fundamental (sea). Some places are *tiny* but hugely expensive- untouched, not overly developed, and will be a good investment. A rural town of 450 people is gonna struggle much more as an investment.
Sounds like you are setting up more of a “boarding house” situation. People who share houses are all kinds of people. I lived on an expired lease in the same house for 12 years before I moved to sydney- and everyone there- there were 5 of us- all were working and studying. None of us were “down on our luck”.
I think if you are targetting “down on their luck” people, then you may be fostering some possible co-dependent relationship with your tenants, which goes beyond being a “soft” landlord. I consider myself the kind of landlord that is really non-interventionist, and pretty laissez-faire… but I would not be setting up some sort of quasi-parental or refuge kind of thing for tenants- frankly, that would do my head in- I’m not equipped for such a thing.
It’s one thing to be relaxed and not overly-vigilant, as a landlord.. it’s another thing to enter into the kind of role which your post suggests.
I don’t think one can change one’s nature necessarily, and nor do I think it’s desirable to attempt to do so. Just be yourself. You’ll get a mix of good and bad outcomes whether you’re soft or hard anyway. If we could all make sure that if we were “hard” and we would be guaranteed 100% stress-free IP ownership… then we’d probably all be “hard”. But sometimes things mess up- nothing to change your whole personality about
Plus the tradie guys get so much support from the wonderful women and wives on this Forum who support their work and do their paperwork (check out the “what do you do for a living” thread in Forum Fun to see how many women work with their hubbies Sp really, you have two people working for the trady’s livelihood- give them as much moolah as they deserve, I reckon )
I think that 60k for a tradesperson is pretty base pay. Basically, the work many of them do might be dangerous, highly skilled, or even dirty (plumbers fixing toilets or other things). I think the degree of skill they have warrants their pay. But really, 60k is a pretty basic wage in sydney. And they do callouts- god, I reckon they deserve their possible 100k or more that melbear was referring to.
If it’s only a little town (ounds like it is) then go to google.com.au and look it up. Type in the name of the town and read every single article about it. Each article should provide you with further info, and by reading them all, you’ll become an expert on the town. By typing in the name of the town, you should be able to find out about employment, industry, crime, housing, tenancy, educational possibilities/providers, health issues, services and amenities (ie, does it have a doctor in the town) etc. Also type in “blahtown real estate” and see what comes up. I also look up things like “blahtown population” or “blahtown population decline” and you’ll get to see the reasons for the decline- so was it an industrial reason (eg mine closed down), or an “organic” reason (ie young people leave small towns to get educational/employment opportunities elsewhere). Google can pretty much help you find and understand all the structural reasons for the town being as it is. You can also find out about the history of the town, and the demographics- handy to know what the average age of the population is, etc.
Once you have that “academic” knowledge of the town, there are a whole series of checks you can do to find out about the “culture” of the town, and whether it might be a suitable place to buy in
I tend to think Neil Jenman was actually speaking of woop woop places. Personally, I like woop woop places- for holidays, and peaceful retreats… but not as an investment (eg, the 500 population places I mentioned).
It doesn’t matter- to me- if an article is written by Neil, or Steve, or Jan- it’s the ideas I am interested in- not the author. Personally, I found that the article had merit. westan, I think the towns you have invested in are bigger than the ones I would think of when I read the article. I would aos think of investing in very small seachange towns- not a lot of coast left, so I wouldn’t care how big the population was, or about employment, or industry (hopefully, there wouldn’t be a mine by the sea [thumbsdownanim
I reckon where Neil went to visit was probably a town of only a couple of hundred- if that- no RE office etc- it has to be small.
As with many of these things, people have their own definition. I just see pozz gearing as the price i paid, and the rental yield %. If it is 10%, then i see my place as pozz geared… I know this is *vastly* different to how others might see it… many use complex formulas etc. Whittaker is a pretty good author, and he probably has some reference to why he’s saying that is his definition of poZz geared.
I think it was a perfectly legitimate post you made, Misty- please don’t lose heart.
I think in the pursuit of cash pozz investments, and in the event of the RE boom, people have had to go to smaller and smaller towns to find cheaper properties- that’s obvious. I think there is a real danger of some of these places becoming “ghost towns”. If you invest in a few properties in a town of 500 people, and (for whatever reason), people up and leave… then you’re in massive trouble.
Regionals are not country towns. Albury is not howlong or tarcutta. I guess one rule is that the cheaper you buy, the more risk there is. And some have taken that risk. People on this board are often saying what fabulous risk-takers they are anyway- noone should worry
If you are looking for a place that’s suburban (ie not rural), and possibly, in my opinion, still undervalued, you could check out goodna. I reckon you might still be able to find something under 100k there if you snoop a lot.
Of course, there’s always the mining towns etc etc… Not my cup of tea, but someone else can inform you about those.
kay henry
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