Moderators got offered a free ticket to the Seminar, yack. I am unable to go (although Steve, I appreciate the offer- thank you). So yack, you can assume that Moderators go for free.
I buy post 1985/1987 places when possible. It depends upon affordability. It’s one of my new criterion when buying. I need tax breaks for taxable income and reducing CGT.
No kidding Gats. I was dormant for 6 years after me and my gf bought two IP’s. Thank god I *was* dormant though, or I would have sold in a market that was not only flat, but where there was negative growth – and regretted it today. And I must say, it’s this board that’s provided a lot of my education on property- thank you, Steve!
Jeff- sounds like a huge project- you must be brave to take it on
It’as interesting, Jeff, that you talk about when yo first bought property. I knew bugger-all about property when me and my gf first bought in 1997- we bought a couple of units together- this is what I didn’t know:
* About depreciation and 1985/1987 allowances
* about sq metres and size of units
* about positive gearing and rental yields
* about determining hoh BC fees should be (on the unit I sold last year, my annual fees were $350- hehe- pretty cheap [blush2])
* about using equity (I thought you paid the whole property off- a la anita bell)
Basically, I knew really nothing when I first bought (I’d read only Somers and a few other books). So I use my new knowledge to buy better. That means I now can determine *value* more than I could in the past. I have no regrets about the purchases we made in 1997, but it’s weird doing something you don’t really know much about.
Who knows, Jeff- perhaps in a decade’s time, I’ll be doing projects like you’re doing. But I would have to learn so much more, to move out of my current buy and hold units mode Best of luck with your project, Jeff- sounds awesome
I did a bit of a searchfor you on this forum, yorker, and came up with some info from the archives.
Firstly though- is it a town with one horse or one goat? Well, the REIT says Roseberry has 1600 people, but wrappack, below, says it is 3000 people. Not sure if 1600 or 3000 is a horse or a goat.
Anyhoo:
wrappack said:
In NSW, there is very few cash +ve props, and they are in the one and two horse towns, and if they die, so will your investment. example- just came back from tassie, saw a couple of houses for sale in Roseberry (a amall 3000person mining town on the west coast). Houses three years ago were 5-15K- yes, you could get change from fhog!. Now, some were asking the rediculous price of 60-80k! There are only two employers in town- a pasminco zinc mine (pasminco is going into liquidation) and rennisson, a tin mine. If one, of both companies go bust, the town will be a ghost town overnight.
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Sooshie said:
When I was doing my research, Roseberry (I hope it’s spelt right) was a NO GO ZONE.
Queenstown has cheaper suburbs, but considered a ghost town. Even Casper has to live somewhere
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sis said:
Hi pritts88, this is not a bias opinion but im just share some info of some areas to stay away from, though maybe in the late late future these places will have appreciated in growth but i doubt.
Places i suggest you stay away from.
Weena
Roseberry
Queenstown
these places are +ve cashflow but there almost abanden mining towns, with little population or a dying town and are industry reliant
Hope this help, though it justs so you dont get tricked or caught out in buyin a bad investment.
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So there’s a few opinions, Yorker. You could also do a search for Roseberry in Somersoft.com and see what folks have to say.
hehe yack- funny your kids will be outside the Ball, staring through the window panes, hoping that the good folk inside the Ball might toss them some bread and dripping for their supper. [laughing]
This one has detailed graphs of sydney areas up until 1996, with areas of growth etc. So it will provide a little history. I’ll look for something a bit more modern in a bit:
When you said that 1-bedders in southbank start @ $300 a week rent and $380 for 2-bedders.. what would be the average purchase price of those units?
I am thinking that rent $$$ in itself doesn;t mean much- because if the units are 300k, then they are yielding 5% or if they are 600k, they are only yielding 2% (or whatever it is).
What’s the average % yield in the area do you think, george?
I hear ya as to why you are holding off. For me, though, it is about purchasing in a flatter market- not for CG- but to buy properties that are now affordable (and were inaffordable during the boom). Because I am not purchasing for growth in the next few years (I doubt there will be much growth personally), then i’m also a little more focussed on yield, whereas usually, that ia a minor consideration for me.
I’m happy to purchase and then wait out 7 years or so, whereupon my property will be well in the process of being paid off, and may have achieved some CG. Actually, i am not hugely concerned about CG or yield- i just like owning properties- hehe. I’m a collector
Do you mean i need my QS reports done by 30th June to claim for last year’s purchases? I really need the deductions for this past financial year, as I have a CGT bill, and need to reduce it.
Am I able to get QS’s done in the next couple of weeks before I get my tax done and still claim?
Here’s a reply I wrote last night to someone who asked a very similar question to the one you have asked. I’ve edited out the irrelevant bits )
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I think there are heaps of positive geared properties around. Well, cheap properties with rental potential of 10.4% So you buy a property in a rural location, for 50k, and rent it for $105 a week. It’s not hard to find them.
I haven’t gone down the rural property road, but I bet could still fine 40 properties on the net within a half hour that could have rental potential of 10.4%. It’s whether you want to go there or not.
But just because I don’t go there, doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. How many towns are there on realestate.com.au? thousands and thousands. You can find those kinds of properties in an instant. A spotter will check out the properties for you, if you want to pay someone, but any person can find them themselves, independently.
I think there are heaps of positive greared properties around. Well, cheap properties with rental potential of 10.4% So you buy a property in a rural location, for 50k, and rent it for $105 a week. It’s not hard to find them. It’s whether you WANT that kind of property or not, that is the question- and it seems you don’t, so there’s the answer
Develop your own strategy, and then stick to it if it’s working for you. I haven’t gone down the rural property road, but I bet could still fine 40 properties on the net within a half hour that could have rental potential of 10.4%. As I said, it’s whether you want to go there or not.
But just because I don’t go there either, doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. How many towns are there on realestate.com.au? thousands and thousands. You can find those kinds of properties in an instant. A spotter will check out the properties for you, if you want to pay someone, but any person can find them themselves, independently.
Priced at 130k and rented at $180, I might find it worthy… but with a lot of Q’s to determine whether I’d buy.
How big is it? Studio? 1 or 2 bedroom? (I would not buy a studio, personally) How many sq metres?
How old is the unit? If it is post 1985, you can up the yield by using depreciation benefits.
As others mentioned, what are the body corporate fees? and management fees?
Any special levies planned? This can be checked in a BC inspection report. Special levies might be incurred for upgrading to equipment (eg gym equipment…) or for any building defects not covered by building insurance, or not taken responsibility by the builders. You could also have a special levy incurred, for example, on some kind of “improvement” they might make to the place- cement rendering to the outside of the building etc.
Car space? Is it registered to your particular unit?
You might also think about how many units there are in the complex- small is better… large generic apartment blocks have resale value issues.
I personally think rental guarantees are pretty good. the “local business” though… is it viable for the future? you could probably have a snuffle at their annual report or something to see if they will be still floating for the future of the guarantee. Will the increment to increase rent be linked with CPI? Or some other measure?
So many things to think about A reno’ed warehouse can have it’s own “style” factor that can be good for resale- sounds newish.
At the price, I’m guessing it is regional?
Ask any further specific questions about it Miler, if you wish to, on the forum, and the unit heads amongst us can attempt to answer them
kay henry
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